Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Frozen Pinecone

Frozen Pinecone

 * Reason:Good quality image, interesting composition. Sharp, detailed.
 * Articles this image appears in:Conifer cone, Ice storm, Winter storms of 2008–09, Eastern White Pine
 * Creator:Redmarkviolinist


 * Support as nominator --Ṝ ed M ark V iolinist Drop me a line 23:22, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Good photo, needs a description. Not sure how much encyclopedic value it adds at the article where it appears.  Seems like it would be more relevant to ice storms or something along those lines.  Durova Charge! 00:44, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. I have expanded the description and added the picture to other pages. Cheers, Ṝ ed M ark V iolinist Drop me a line 02:43, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually it needs a description on the image hosting page. The location, species of pine, etc. would be good.  I'm leaning toward borderline support here, yet it might fare better at Wikimedia Commons FPC where evaluation is more purely on photographic merit.  Durova Charge! 18:09, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, species is Pinus Strobus, or White Pine. I've filled in the description and added the picture to the page. Ṝ ed M ark V iolinist Drop me a line 17:28, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

--Noodle snacks (talk) 00:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support per dialog above. Durova Charge! 03:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose I just disagree with the EV of this image. The ice obscures the view of the cone, detracting from its EV of conifer cone, and for ice storms I think the larger-scale pictures of the effect on trees, power lines, etc. are more encyclopedic.  It's a pretty interesting to see the cone wrapped up in ice, but not that encyclopedic IMO. Fletcher (talk) 17:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment it might have EV if the species that is covered in ice has evolved to cope with it. I'd like to see proper identification per Durova though. Noodle snacks (talk) 00:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that being able to cope would make it in any way unique though. If trees couldn't cope with below zero temps/ice, they'd all die over the winter. ;-) Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 01:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well tomatoes for instance pretty much die when exposed to frost. I do recall hearing about some specific evolutionary traits of conifers that allow them to survive in heavy snow regions, particularly the tapered shape and lack of branches in the trunk. Noodle snacks (talk) 11:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, true, although my point was almost all trees native to the cold climates must by definition be able to survive sub-zero temps or the hills would be bare. I'm sure they have evolved some defences, but nothing unique to this particular tree. Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 13:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Adds very little value to the articles. As Fletcher said, larger scale images of the effects of ice storms provides more information than a lone pinecone. Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 01:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose Despite the above I was only able to find one rather dubious reference (link removed) as far as evolution of pine cones goes so oppose since the ice obscures the cone, and since the limited framing obscures the effects of ice storms. Noodle snacks (talk) 11:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah very dubious. It only relates to the shape of the pine cones and the weight of snow, nothing to do with ice or sub-zero temperatures per-se. And it specifically denies evolution! Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 13:43, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Its a religious website. What else can you expect? Muhammad (talk) 17:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)