Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Holy Roman Empire in 1648

Map of the Holy Roman Empire in 1648AD

 * Reason:I think it is technically brilliant, incredibly comprehensive, very professional looking and has encyclopedic value beyond belief. E10   T10   A9
 * Articles this image appears in:Holy Roman Empire, Peace of Westphalia, although many more should use it.
 * Creator:User:Astrokey44


 * [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] Support as nominator —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 15:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - southernmost tip cut off!!! --Janke | Talk 17:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 *  Conditional support Per Janke, I'd like the southern tip added. As it's an SVG, it shouldn't be too hard.--HereToHelp 20:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It has been added :) --Astrokey 44 03:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment, Can someone with expert knowedge of the topic confirm that this is factually correct? Can someone email an academic they know who's into this area of history to confirm it? Witty lama 22:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * (Probably e-mail the PNG facsimile... unless you know they can view SVG images) gren グレン 22:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Or create a PDF, retains the detail, and is even safer (compatibilitywise). --Dschwen 07:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment, sometimes labels overlap each other.... which, is bad, right? I am not sure if you can avoid it on such a detailed map... which is why I just want others to weigh in on this and maybe help me decide. gren グレン 22:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support - the text overlapping is mostly due to Firefox's SVG generation I think, because the PNG version looks perfect, so I'm guessing wikimedia's SVG handler is better? --Golbez 12:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes some of the text layers which are supposed to be transparent come out looking opaque --Astrokey 44 03:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose - The main reason for opposing is the "tight framing" of the map. In my opinion, a larger part of Europe should be shown to give the necessary geographic (and historical) context. Also, the lettering is too big, resulting in a cluttered map. Finally, I don't like the strong colours. Alvesgaspar 16:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I have reduced the size of some of the text and changed the colours to a lighter scheme from colour brewer. Not sure about a europe inset as there is already a separate map of this. --Astrokey 44 03:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Support per all. Another thing though, im not being funny but that picture nearly crashed my pc... and i have a decent pc, so god only knows what it would do to an average computer (or have a got a dodgy setting that made it freeze?) -- Ch ild zy ( Talk 21:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably should leave a warning that it is a huge file and to view as png instead. --Astrokey 44 03:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * strong support despite svg format. Debivort 10:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Could the "Holy Roman Empire" faded text in the background be removed? I find it distracting and it would seem superflous if the picture is well captioned. The O in Roman lands in the middle and at first I thought it was a smudged copyright logo. Unless this is my issue as I am viewing it on a flat panel in svg. Pedro | Chat  13:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose I don't see the reason why this is an svg. It's unreadable in image page resolution, it's ginormous, and I can't open it to look at the details. Unrelated, the font color is too light and the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE is distracting. ~ trialsanderrors 18:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * One reason is so that you can hide different layers and make things like locator maps. removed HRE text and darkened labels now --Astrokey 44 02:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That's useful as a master map to create all those submaps. For display purposes it's not useful. ~ trialsanderrors 03:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - I'm with the two last users, for cartographic reasons. But my fight against svg maps didn't have any success till now. On the contrary, most users oppose any map which isn't svg (mainly in Commons). Alvesgaspar 19:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Contains factual errors. The Old Swiss Confederacy did include neither the Valais nor the Grisons nor the full territory of the modern Canton of Geneva at that time. The city of Basel is shown at the wrong location, it is on the Rhine knee. The blueish blot labelled "BASEL" between the "Swiss Confederation" and the Franche Compté is actually the "Prince-Bishopric of Basel". The borders shown in that area are highly approximative and of sketch quality only. Compare with Image:Historische Karte CH 18 Jh.png, which is much more accurate. Lupo 07:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well that is a much increased scale. Most other maps of Europe I have seen show the Swiss confederation in this area as Valais, Grisons and Geneva are 'allied and protected districts' or associates . There wasnt much room to write the full title - Ive added "B. of" to Basel. Sorry I had the city of Basel mixed up with Rheinfelden - removed it as it is not in the empire --Astrokey 44 04:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment I would like to have a scale in kilometers too, next too the scale in miles, and perhaps some extra tickmarks on the scale would be helpful. Berteun 11:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Is this accurate? I'd hate to see this go to waste. Also, it'll be a good idea to create a high-res rasterized version, for those whose computers balk at the large vector image. Perhaps we could feature that instead? Moving it down. MER-C 04:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - The map is technically quite an achievement, however I too feel that it shouldn't be SVG. At high resolutions, the text is hard to read and the map is too resource consuming on most computers. Scrolling is too laggy and it's annoying to use. Maybe there should be a medium size version which is say 50-75% of the base size?  C e n t y   12:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the format change will be enough. I've heard that PNG is faster than JPEG when loading, and is certainly much faster than SVG. MER-C 04:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Guys, there already is a PNG version. Support PNG Version.  C e n t y   21:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

--KFP (talk | contribs) 23:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)