Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/If sailor-like you'd play your cards, / Unbend your sails and lower your yards, / Unstep your masts you'll never want 'em more.

SMS Odin
Voting period ends on 22 Feb 2014  at 11:54:45 (UTC)
 * Reason:It's a gorgeous lithograph, high resolution, and completes the set of Odin-class ships. Also, if anyone's wandering about the page title, it's from a Gilbert and Sullivan song about the end of the tall ship era and emergence of ironclads.
 * Articles in which this image appears:SMS Odin, Odin-class coastal defense ship
 * FP category for this image:Featured pictures/Vehicles/Water
 * Creator:Hugo Graf (1844-1914) [Scan by commons:User:Mr.Nostalgic, restoration by Adam Cuerden.]


 * Support as nominator -- Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:54, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Support - Wow. Just wow. Regarding file size, haven't you tried Commons:Chunked uploads with the Upload Wizard on Commons? I've used it to upload files of 300–600 mb in size. Maximum is one gig. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:13, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I almost never use the Upload Wizard, but I shall have to for things like this. Uploading, will probably have to jigger filenames after. ETA: I did! Mind you, I have no idea what you're meant to do if you find a problem after the initial upload. Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:35, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * That's a good question. I've never had to do it, but it could be necessary... perhaps you could ping someone at Commons? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:46, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * commons:Commons:Upload_Wizard_feedback Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:51, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Support — Historically interesting in the manner of SMS Ägir below, which was promoted. (Could be cropped a bit on left, forward of bow, and in foreground. Lose the frame.) Blurb might include note that Odin was built in Danzig, which is now Gdańsk, Poland. If Odin is promoted, suggest running Agir and Odin some weeks apart. Sca (talk) 14:32, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm really reluctant to crop out bits of an artwork, especially as it would make it have a different aspect ratio with other images in the set. Not so concerned about the border, though, except that it's actually kind of a pain to get a clean crop: to get as much of the image as possible into the crop, you usually have to edit out a couple wedges of border. Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:45, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Talking to the person who's been improving the articles, looks like he likes the borders. Since article use is the FP goal, probably best to go with the bordered version. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:53, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Support - Restoration looks sharp and fresh. --Godot13 (talk) 17:35, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * To be fair, in a large part, that's because it's a very good lithograph, well-reproduced. I can't claim all credit for that. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:13, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It doesn't appear to be a real picture frame to me, just a graphic device imposed digitally. Sca (talk) 22:16, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * No, it's definitely real. Trust me. That gold stuff spread onto the image in places, there were some giant stains on it, and the paper of it had lifted slightly, making it blurry at full resolution in a couple places. I've done my best to mitigate these issues, mostly successfully, I think, though the edges are still a little blurry in a few places at full 105 megapixel resolution. The Ägir one had major, major blurriness on the right hand side, hence why I cut from that one.
 * That said, I think it might actually be a separate piece of paper to the image itself. It's a common way of mounting an image, including in books. Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:26, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * In any case, Adam, the frame adds nothing to the composition. Sca (talk) 01:09, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, the people working on the articles like it, so... um... really not sure what to tell you. We can't promote a version not used in articles, after all. Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:19, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Unless someone were to change the one used in the article. (Oops, I said the C-word!) Sca (talk) 15:51, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, obviously, but I don't think we're engaged in a currently-fairly-successful project to bring all articles on these ships up to Featured Article status, so a little bit of deferring is appropriate, I think. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:58, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Mag sein. German Wiki uses a different image without a border, but it's not nearly as good as the one you nominated. (Oddly enough, our pic seems to show only one funnel, whereas the Ger. pic, from a period postcard, shows two — ??) Sca (talk) 18:53, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Apparently, the ship was rebuilt in 1901-1903 (lead of SMS Odin); that may be one of the changes. From the dates on the signature of the other illustrations in this set, the one nominated here is almost certainly from about 1899. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:33, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Odin was built with only one funnel and had a second one added during the 1901-03 reconstruction to match Ägir. I'll have to include that detail when I go back through and expand the article (though that will be some time from now, as these come first). And for what it's worth, I do like the border, if only for the extra bit of color it adds to otherwise generally drab articles. But I'm not wedded to it or anything if consensus favors no border. Parsecboy (talk) 20:28, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Interesting — Usually it's the other way around, fewer funnels r.t. more. Sca (talk) 01:43, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Usually, yes, but when the new boilers were installed, they doubled the number from 4 to 8, thus you need another funnel for good ventilation. Parsecboy (talk) 13:42, 14 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment While this is by far the best frame out of the ones I've seen, I'm slightly concerned that we've cropped the frames out of the other two. If these images were ever to be presented as a set at a later point, the frame would stand out conspicuously. I'm not saying "remove it", but it might be a good idea to have a non-frame version for use in a gallery on the artist's page, should Hugo Graf ever get an article. Sᴠᴇɴ Mᴀɴɢᴜᴀʀᴅ   Wha?  06:29, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll prepare one, but until these are a coherent set, it probably doesn't matter. Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:32, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Support - excellent work, I'd support a version without a border more but the image is stunning as is. Miyagawa (talk) 12:50, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Support - Agreed that one without a border would be better, but that's a quibble, it's a wonderful image. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:13, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

--Armbrust The Homunculus 11:54, 22 February 2014 (UTC)