Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Image:Soweto township.jpg

Soweto Housing

 * Reason:I think this image is a great photo that does a lot to illustrate typical shanty town housing in Soweto, just south of Johannesburg, South Africa.
 * Articles this image appears in:Soweto and Shanty town
 * Creator:Commons:User:Matt-80


 * Support as nominator --Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 22:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support Clear and well taken. Has just enough of the shanty town to be illustrative without being cluttered. Many of the other images I've looked through are too wide angle and the shanty detail is lost, others are from street level and also lack something - Peripitus (Talk) 02:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak support - Illustrative and encyclopedic. Doesn't carry the wow factor (hence weak rather than full support), but still worth it.  Durova Charge! 07:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 *  Oppose  "Uncluttered" shanty town? Like the youthful dancers, preferably without an audience?  I think it's an excellent photo, and it does show detail that images of shanty towns often don't show, it also looks south African, rather than Western Hemisphere, or South Asian, but I don't think it has any wow factor, as User:Durova says above, that would make it an excellent photograph, encyclopedic, and a featured picture, imo.  Possibly a close up of a resident in the shanty town, or some detail might make it more interesting, or something that made the image totally Soweto/South African shanty town might give it the necessary wow.  Overall, a compelling image, though.  --Blechnic (talk) 07:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per above. Also, shanty towns like this exist in many places, nothing links this to Soweto, thus low enc. --Janke | Talk 07:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it could easily illustrate Shanty Town, as it is probably better than most of the existing images there. What you're saying is true, but surely we don't have to prove that it is in Soweto? Is there a doubt that the image uploader is credible? Do you want a sign saying "Welcome to Soweto" in the picture? ;-) The point is, unless we know a lot about the subject, most of our featured pictures aren't innately self-describing and we take it on faith that it is what it says it is. Nothing about a photo of an obscure insect links it to its genus or species, but we feature those because they exist in the approprate article! I just don't think it has to scream "Soweto!" for it to be a FP. :-) Diliff   | (Talk)   (Contribs) 10:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Put it in Shanty town and you'll get a (weak) support from me... ;-) Weak, per Durova. --Janke | Talk 12:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I can probably sign my name behind that statement as well. This image narrowly beats out the very similar photo on Shanty town (not an FP) on size and colour balance. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 12:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Have done so now. Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 14:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Will we be getting that weak support from you Janke? A promise is a promise! ;-) Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 11:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought that was already implied, but I made it 100%clear now... --Janke | Talk 15:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose it was implied, but left a bit ambiguous. If the closer only looked for obvious bolded supports and opposes they may have missed it. Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 15:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose All you can really see is a bunch of corrugated tin roofs. A much better shot would be down on street level, actually letting us see what they are like when you are in them. Clegs (talk) 18:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support conditional on it remaining in the Shanty town article. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 12:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I can't imagine there being any major complaints though but I'm surprised it wasn't already there. Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 20:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support its use in the shanty town article. It is a compelling image of a shanty town, not of a single shanty.  It does appear South African because of the age, neatness, and foliage, but it's hard for anyone without any additional knowledge to know this, so it's more compelling in the shanty town article, than the townships article.  The corrugated roofs in the bright sun appear to ripple along with their irregular shadows in the photograph, the shadows of the tree play everywhere and there's enough detail at large size to make the picture even more worth looking at: a woman hanging her wash, children playing, the varied windows and cloths, the roof vents, the rocks and boulders and tire holding the tin down, the spray-painted numbers, the colors the variety of building materials, fencing, the rust.  It's also a good color capture of a bright sunlit image at this latitude.  It's framed beautifully also.  This is an arty interpretation, I realize.  --Blechnic (talk) 19:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support Tomer T (talk) 13:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

MER-C 07:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)