Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Image:Zmachine.jpg

Z machine

 * Reason:Is this thing cool or what?
 * Articles this image appears in:Electromagnetic pulse, Z-pinch, Z machine, List of fusion experiments
 * Creator:Randy Montoya, Sandia National Laboratories


 * Support as nominator &mdash;  howcheng  {chat} 18:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn -- image is not eligible.  howcheng  {chat} 06:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support Beautiful and cool. This was the cover of one of my physics textbooks, inside of which gives the credit: "Randy Montoya, Sandia National Laboratories." --Asiir 19:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support. Most certainly has that "wow" factor. -- Tewy  19:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support &mdash; It's way cool. &mdash; Zaui (talk) 20:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support &mdash; Wow factor indeed. 8thstar 20:55, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong support - It certainly looks cool, but is it actually physically cool? :-)


 * There seem to be three copies of this image, two of which are being considered for deletion. See Image:Z-machine.jpg and Image:Z-machine480.jpg. Ah. One's already been deleted. M rug  2  21:27, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment It failed Nom back in march 2005 because of free use issues. I assume those are resolved? -Fcb981 22:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm... good question. I was going by the PD-USGov tag that's on Commons, but I suppose the question is, if Sandia is a contractor producing work on behalf of the US Gov't, is that the same as work done by a US Gov't agency? I don't know the answer to that.  howcheng  {chat} 22:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Support Amazing pic, despite obvious distortion. (If a legal problem is discovered, see above discussion, consider this revoked.)--HereToHelp 23:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I tried nominating this before, and it was found to not be PD because Sandia is not part of the government; it's a part of the company Lockheed Martin, that does research of interest to the government. I worked there 3 summers (and I toured the Z Machine a few times, walking on the catwalk in that picture) and can verify that nobody there was allowed to call themselves a federal employee, only an employee of Lockheed Martin. Some national labs do it differently, but Sandia isn't one of them. See the acknowledgement/copyright here. &mdash; BRIAN 0918 &bull; 2007-04-20 00:06Z
 * Well, that's the key question, innit? Whether the work produced by a government contractor on behalf of the government is the property of the government. The previous nomination just seemed to end in "better safe than sorry" without any real definitive answer. Could be that it depends on the contract. I don't know if I'd trust the blanket copyright statement on the web site; a lot of organizations claim copyright on things they can't. If the license is bad, the image will have to be deleted from Commons and I doubt it can be used here under our EDP either.  howcheng  {chat} 02:02, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well if Neal Singer says we have to credit Sandia, then by default that means it isn't public domain, right? --Uberlemur 02:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter what their site does or doesn't explicitly have a copyright notice. The fact is that they are a company producing content. Whether or not they are doing government contracted work doesn't matter. Only works produced by federal employees are public domain, and Sandia employees are not federal employees. This isn't just my opinion; I asked project managers there, and they said they're not government employees. &mdash; BRIAN 0918 &bull; 2007-04-20 02:15Z
 * Do you still have contacts there? Maybe you can clear this up once and for all. If you can, please find out whether or not the federal government owns the work they do or whether they own the copyright to their own work. Thanks.  howcheng  {chat} 06:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Never mind. Template talk:PD-USGov-DOE has the answer.  howcheng  {chat} 06:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support We should keep this nomination separate from the copyright discussion, which should happen on Commons. Assuming this picture is freely licensed, it certainly deserves being put on the front page. ~ trialsanderrors 02:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That's nonsense. The copyright problem is not just a problem for Commons, it's a problem for any Wikimedia site that displays a copy of the file (all files are stored on upload.wikimedia.org). Just because the file is hosted on Commons doesn't mean that a copy of it on Wikipedia under the same incorrect license is somehow exempt from copyright issues. &mdash; BRIAN 0918 &bull; 2007-04-20 03:10Z
 * Don't be willfully obtuse. The picture is hosted on Commons, so the deletion debate has to be held on Commons. ~ trialsanderrors 03:14, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment See previous comments (need to be an adminstrator to see the deleted page). --Duk 06:44, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Not PD. See commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Zmachine.jpg. To keep the image at least, copy back to en: and make a fair use claim. Lupo 06:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

—  howcheng  {chat} 06:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)