Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Italian Market

The Italian Market in Philadelphia

 * Reason:EV+Quality
 * Articles this image appears in:Italian Market and Philadelphia
 * Creator:Massimo Catarinella


 * Support as nominator --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 18:12, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Interesting and funny image as well as it good quality, so I like it.--Caspian blue 21:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. In case anyone is wondering, the mural depicts former Philadelphia mayor and police commissioner Frank Rizzo.  Spikebrennan (talk) 22:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I question the copyright status of this considering the mural makes up such a large portion of the image.  wadester 16  01:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Would appear to be in violation of US freedom of panorama laws. Noodle snacks (talk) 11:09, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Can't fair use be applied to this case? I mean, I don't sell the panorama here on Wikipedia. Didn't the same discussion arose, with Diliff' nomination of those tiles commemorating 9/11? --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 11:59, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not by any means an expert on freedom of panorama, but it seems clear to me that the mural isn't the subject of the picture here-- it just happens to be in the picture. Contrast this.  Spikebrennan (talk) 14:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. And also, from my understanding of freedom of panorama in the US, it allows photography of buildings as the exception. Is this art, or is it a building? ;-) I have no idea where the line would be drawn, but there is certainly the argument that the art is part of the building and not intended to be standalone. In any case, my 9/11 image went to a deletion request on Commons and the conclusion was that it was valid because each tile was incidental to the overall composition, so it was essentially De minimis. I would say it should also be the case here too, but IANAL. ;-) Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 08:21, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Can I do this simply by logging in at Wikimedia Commons, go to the image itself and select in the lower column on the left "nominate for deletion"? --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 15:20, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Support – Wladyslaw (talk) 12:26, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Copyright seems to be OK. Might pay to run it through a deletion just in case though. Noodle snacks (talk) 09:36, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose The possible copyright concern aside, I don't see a reason to support. It's a photograph of a parking lot on the left, garbage on the right, and the main feature (the street scene of the Italian Market) obscured mostly by parked cars. I find the overall composition unconvincing.  wadester 16  19:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, this panorama shows every aspect of the Italian Market. Starting on the left we have a roman catholic church (Italians mostly are roman catholic), a welcome to the Italian Market sign, the mural which depicts a historic scene of the market and a sign explaining that this is a landmark of Philadelphia and telling its history. In the middle you have the license plate from Pennsylvania. To the right of the cars (and behind them) you have the traditional vendors, a cafe (gentrification of the area), the balloons with the American flag, the garbage and a sign of the DiBruno bros. Further more, it shows the banners saying ninth street, the architecture and the satellite dishes on them. This is what I saw as a tourist visiting the Italian Market at a time, when the market was still up and running. I've walked down the entire market and found this the best spot to capture it all in one photograph. Below Washington Avenue it is all Mexican (so no Italians left and no other nationalities present). Also, there were less vendors than I had expected, while there were a lot more shops. Last but not least, the empty lot on the left is no parking lot. It's an outside sitting area, where you can have a rest or take a drink/eat something. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 22:16, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I would be less inclined to oppose if the cars were not in the way and more than a full third of the image wasn't taken up by pavement. And IMHO, you're pushing the extent of EV a bit by citing license plates, the flag, and satellite dishes. Sorry,  wadester 16  07:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats ok, we're all entitled to our own opinions :). ==Massimo Catarinella (talk) 11:28, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Support This is a great image taken in what I would consider to be a very ordinary looking area. I think that some of the editors who add images to the Sydney suburban articles could learn a thing or two from this panorama. I think that the image could probably do with a little height though PoorPhotoremovalist (talk) 09:02, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol. You sound like a man with an agenda judging by your name and user page. I agree with you and your 'American Idol metaphor' though. The thing is, some areas are of historical and cultural importance even though they're not attractive scenes, per se. Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 09:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose Not a good view of the market. Limited EV because of this. Makeemlighter (talk) 05:48, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Shouldn't the number plate be blurred?  Mae din \talk 10:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. We've never had any rule about that before, and Wiki isn't censored... If we can take a photo of a homeless man living in his own filth and feature it for the world to see, I think we can handle a visible number plate. ;-) Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 16:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, :-)  Mae din \talk 16:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Support--Avala (talk) 20:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

--Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 16:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)