Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Joey in pouch

Wallaby Joey in pouch



 * Reason:good quality, sharp, uncommon to get such a close-up of a wild mother like this.
 * Articles this image appears in:wallaby and red-necked wallaby
 * Creator:Benjamint


 * Support as nominator --Benjamint 03:44, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment You know, that doesn't really make me think "Pouch" so much as "Alien". It might have been better to show a bit more of the mother. Still, Support, as the technical quality is very good. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 02:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've taken the liberty of adding wikilinks to the description. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 02:31, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose Such a horrible image for something so cute. At first glimpse I thought it was being born! eek! How glad I am that its not... The elbow (or what i hope is an elbow) really ruins it. Also that dark thing in the top-right corner. Definately encyclopedic, but not a FP. ← κεηηε∂γ  ( shout at me ) 07:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It being a 'horrible image' isn't a valid reason for an oppose. To quote Criteria 3 "A featured picture is not always required to be aesthetically pleasing; it might be shocking, impressive, or just highly informative." And unless it's a horribly mutated wallaby that's not 'an elbow', it's obviously the hindleg, and while it may reduce the cute factor by being there, it adds to encyclopaedic value showing how they get in and out of the pouch, and the difficulty involved in so doing. And the 'dark thing' at top right is just as obviously the front paws of the mother, that's if you know anything about macropods. --jjron (talk) 08:13, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not opposing the image soley due to the fact it is not 'aesthetically pleasing'. As I say, the elbow and more the paws of the mother detract somewhat from the point of this image. ← κεηηε∂γ  ( talk ) 09:04, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Moreover, the 'point' of this image is the wee joey in the pouch. All we can see of this is a squashed face and its elbow, and the surroundings of its mother. Would you like me to go on? Or would you like to pick up on every other one of my votes? Hell, look at my contributions, im sure you can find more stuff in there to complain about. If you want to continue this 'conversation', message me on my talk page. This isn't really the place. ← κεηηε∂γ  ( talk ) 09:10, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say the point is not just the joey in the pouch, but the demonstration of how cramped the pouch is for the joey, and the difficulty in getting in and out (contrary to popular culture representations of this behaviour which are embedded in most people's minds, replete with spacious pouches and easy access for the joey). And did you even read my earlier comment - it is NOT an 'elbow', it's the hindleg. And if you are willing to make comments here you should be willing to stand by them, rather than making accusations of people that respond to them and point out where you have made errors. Perhaps Benjamint could clarify what the image is fully depicting since the description page and reason for nomination are pretty brief, and since I'm being vilified for commenting on his behalf. --jjron (talk) 14:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason I suggested taking it to the talk pages, is so that this page, which is only for voting on the picture, did not get cramped up with all this. But since you asked, I will reply here too. Fair enough, not an elbow, a hindleg, if thats what you believe it is, I am more than happy to take your word for it. Again, to stop this all getting out of hand on the vote page, i suggest you keep it to the talk pages. Im not even sure what you mean by "And if you are willing to make comments here you should be willing to stand by them, rather than making accusations of people that respond to them and point out where you have made errors." I am more than happy to stand by what i said. Just better for everyone if its not here. Still viewable by the public, but people coming here to vote will get caught up in this, no? ← κεηηε∂γ  ( talk ) 14:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'm really struggling to understand what's going on in this photo - it could really do with more of the mother in shot. Pstuart84 Talk 17:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. It would help if someone could make a case for the leg sticking out (maybe it's the typical posture of the juvenile in the pouch?) Otherwise, I'd have to agree with both kennedy and pstuart. I think the picture really needs a sense of scale and location. That seems to be what jjron is arguing for as well. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 15:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added the image from pouch for illustration - I think a featured picture would need to have this sort of composition. Pstuart84 Talk 15:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's very common for legs to be sticking out of the pouch (it is a hind-leg) since the joey enters the pouch head first and can't easily turn around once it gets older. With a big joey like this one it is far more common to see it in a position like this with legs sticking out and sometimes even just the two legs poking out and no head. I have uploaded another shot, primarily for descriptive purposes for the original but I've also put it up as an alternative and improved the description on the image page. Benjamint 01:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Support Different and attention-catching. Makes you stop and look and you realise it is not an alien but an animal looking very cosy. (That is why it has to be a close-up) Good detail to contrast with all the shots of nice-looking cuddly things in the article. It is not a picture where the composition is crucial although it is adequate. Motmit (talk) 16:13, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

(quorum not reached) MER-C 10:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)