Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/MTBA map

Boston subway map
Voting period ends on 26 Apr 2011 at 22:15:54 (UTC)
 * Reason:good quality and EV
 * Articles in which this image appears:Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority, List of MBTA Subway stations
 * FP category for this image:maps
 * Creator:Dream out loud


 * Support as nominator --Nergaal (talk) 22:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Traditional niggling: we always do this with maps, it seems: the Hynes station is no longer called Hynes/ICA, since the ICA is now in Southie. Also, it seems like there should be some way of representing the Mattapan extension as a noncontinuous line.  (I mean, I assume that's why Ashmont is an unfilled circle, to indicate that it's a changing point, but no one who didn't know the system would know that.)  I suspect others may want this as an svg, but I don't care so much about that. Chick Bowen 00:58, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support presuming you make changes to the liking of Chick Bowen, who obviously knows the system better than me. It's a very pleasing map, though.  upstate NYer  04:19, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Maps such as this one should be converted to .SVG format.--RDBury (talk) 13:00, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose for two issues. One is that it's not an .svg. The one great advantage of having the map as an svg is that if a station or line is renamed, closed, opened, added, etc, it's just so much easier to fix on an svg rather than a png that has to be, in essence, redrawn (the map is dated 2007, are we sure it's up to date?). The second is, how do we know this map is geographically correct? What was used to plot the lines and stations? GPS? Trace of OpenStreetMap? The file description page needs way more information. The source URL is a website that doesn't give any details.. Also, who exactly is the creator? It was uploaded by User:Dream_out_loud, the template says the author is User:Citynoise, and the "source url" says it is by Bill Rankin and Louis Hyman. Further, how reliable is the site? I see it accepts contributions from absolutely anybody. If this site were being looked at at FAC or FLC as a RS, it wouldn't pass muster, and it shouldn't here either. Finally, the CONTACT page says all maps and images are released under the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share-Alike License 3.0. The image needs a Fair use rationale and makes it ineligible for FPC. Matthewedwards : Chat  05:47, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment User:Citynoise is Bill Rankin so he could always be contacted directly to straighten out licensing, I'd Oppose anyway though due to the map being out of date without the Silver Line. Kmusser (talk) 20:29, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Should the Silver Line be included on the map? It's on the subway map on the MBTA website here (though it's identified separately from the subway lines in the map's legend) and I recall seeing it in the maps in the stations and trains when I was in Boston (though I could easily be wrong). It would be nice if the area of downtown Boston which is expanded in the bottom left of the map was marked on the main map. Nick-D (talk) 12:20, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually the outline of the expanded area is shown but it's difficult to see unless you view the map at full resolution.--RDBury (talk) 15:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Certainly the silver line should either be included or not; what's weird here is that Washington St line is included but not the airport line (presumably because the map is a few years old). Chick Bowen 02:57, 20 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: I like the composition of the stylized version on the MBTA website more than the "geographically accurate" version here. This version has a lot of information that has nothing to do with the subway (e.g. park & cemetery locations) and is consequently a lot busier than it needs to be. Of course the MBTA's file format is all wrong as well.--RDBury (talk) 15:23, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. An original map, to be featured, should (in my opinion) follow the WikiProject Maps conventions.  Also, this map features purple dashed lines for the "Minuteman Bikeway" and another, unnamed one circumnavigating part of the Charles River.  Are these both bike paths?  There is no legend to tell us what they are.  Are they part of the transit system?  If so, are they the only bike paths that merit inclusion on this map, or are there others?  If they're not part of the transit system, why are they on the map at all.  Are all of the green areas parks?  Are they all of the parks that are in the area covered by the map?  If not, why were these included, and why are others omitted?  No border is shown between Braintree and Winthrop.  The grey Washington Street line (or whatever it's actually called) kind of blends into other map symbols and is difficult to see-- particularly on the inset map, where it is a color that is similar to other colors that are used.  This map needs a legend.  The scale should include metric.  Spikebrennan (talk) 19:38, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. It's a clinical map of a railway system, nothing technically wrong with it I'm sure, and I can't comment on the content since I don't know the area, but it has nothing that makes it stand out as an FP. And of course, as has already been mentioned, it should be SVG and with no doubt about the licence. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 22:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

--Makeemlighter (talk) 01:05, 27 April 2011 (UTC)