Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Melbourne Docklands

Melbourne Docklands

 * Reason:I uploaded this image late last year and intended to nominate it then as I believe it meets all the FPC requirements, but just never got around to it. I was reminded of it when Subaru Australia contacted me to tell me they had used it as the backdrop for their advertising for the Melbourne International Motor Show a few months ago, so thought if it's good enough for them I may as well give it a try here.
 * Articles this image appears in:Currently in Melbourne Docklands
 * Creator:jjron


 * Support as nominator &mdash; jjron 08:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose On balance, the good lighting and careful composition aren't enough to excuse lack of detail, slight fringing and rather over-exposed highlights. I like it & I can see why Subaru liked it, but the one thing which might have swayed me to support – enc value – seems to be its weakest virtue. mikaultalk 11:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I would like to see more detail in the summary statement. What exactly are we looking at? I can see at least five cranes - what are they building? If the same shot was taken today, would it look substantially different? I'm leaning towards support, but I'm not sure of the encyclopedic value of a picture that's now out of date (and with no particular historic value). Matt Deres 18:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If this shot has low encyclopedic value, surely the same would apply to this, this, this and most of the other featured panoramas we have? I really don't see the problem with the encyclopedic value in this picture. Raven4x4x 14:32, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If the views of those photos are now out of date, then I'd be concerned about the encyclopedic qualities of them as well - for example, a shot of the NYC skyline in 1999 is an historic image, but no longer of much encyclopedic value compared to the way the city currently looks. There seems to be a great deal of construction going on in the FPC image, which means that it may now be out of date. It might have encyclopedic value as an historic image, but those are judged by slightly different criteria, which is why I've asked for more info. If the construction was actually pretty minor, then I'd be happy to support as I genuinely like this picture.
 * IMO, historic pics get some passes as regards film quality, composition, etc, but they need to have some real historic value to be considered FP - this shot has the quality and composition to make it as a 'current' image, but may not be historically important enough to warrant getting in as an historic photo. Yeah, I know I'm rambling; hopefully, you get the gist of what I'm talking about. In either case, the caption needs some mroe detail. Matt Deres 01:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Support Beautiful image. Cities don't change that much in a year. Adam Cuerden talk 23:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Interesting comment to make for this image - this is the one area of Melbourne which really *is* changing. The stadium in the centre was built less than 10 years ago. The tower to the right of the word 'dome' was completed in 2006. If I'm not mistaken, the central area on stilts is about to be redeveloped into some crappy restaurant or hotel. I suspect most of the apartment buildings in the area are less than 10 years old as well. I'm neutral on the FP-ness of it - the rightmost third of it is a bit vacuous, and I don't like seeing the boardwalk at the left. Stevage 04:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Support Agree with Debivort - seems to have good enc value. Also good to see is a lack of the distortion you usually get with such wide angle panos involving straight lines --Fir0002 07:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Not quite FP material. The lighting is simply wrong, and the composition is a little off. --Hetar 23:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * weak support not as big as I would like in a pano, but illustrates its topic very well. I don't understand why people are saying it is low enc. Debivort 02:33, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Reply. Sorry, have been away and have only just got back and had a look at this. I have updated the caption and picture summary to try to address some of the concerns raised by some voters about lack of encyclopaedic value, as this seemed to be the main cause for opposing or being unsure. The concern about it being almost a year old I can't do much about now, except to say that last time I was down that way, about 3mths ago, the area shown in the pano hadn't changed all that much (yes, Stevage is right, this area of Melbourne in general is undergoing lots of development, but the main stuff you see here hasn't changed much). I'm not sure what can be done about the lighting for Hetar as everyone else seems to think it's good, as did I. Re the composition, I accept that some may prefer the buildings at the right to be cut from perhaps where the NAB buildings end (Subaru did cut them out in the ad I mentioned), but I left them in as I thought it added to the encyclopaedic value; I disagree with Stevage about the walkway at the left, as it does add considerable value by showing how Waterfront City is connected to the rest of Docklands via New Quay, and that this photo wasn't taken, say, from a boat out on Victoria Harbour. --jjron 15:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

MER-C 07:52, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Support My concerns have been met by the expanded caption and I think the shot itself is both eye-catching and encyclopedic. Matt Deres 16:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)