Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/ORP Grom

ORP Grom
Voting period ends on 9 Jul 2011 at 22:46:53 (UTC)
 * Reason:proper quality, reasonable EV, not unpleasant as far as aesthetics is concerned
 * Articles in which this image appears:ORP Grom (1995), Fast Attack Craft
 * FP category for this image:Featured pictures/Vehicles/Water
 * Creator:Łukasz Golowanow


 * Support as nominator --(air)Wolf (talk) 22:46, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Good EV and well captioned (my bugaboo).  Has the pixels.  Good view of the armaments and the angle shows things a little better than a pure perpindicular shot.  Like that you got it with the flags.TCO (talk) 23:13, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Solid EV, great level of detail and entirety of the vessel is shown clearly, even the aerials aren't cut off. Would have preferred image without the flags as they don't illustrate its normal appearance but its no biggie. Plus we don't have many FPs of modern military ships. Fallschirmjäger &#9993; 12:10, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I've got a few more of similar quality, if you feel more are necessary. :) (air)Wolf (talk) 12:45, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Put some cross-hairs on there and it will get me hot...TCO (talk) 18:11, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose Neutral The image is copyrighted making the image ineligible unless it is released under a free license. -Vcelloho (talk) 03:02, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You are joking, right? (air)Wolf (talk) 08:11, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Mind you, the image you nominated is copyrighted as well. (air)Wolf (talk) 08:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not joking. The featured picture selection criteria reads, "Has a free license. It is available in the public domain or under a free license. Fair use images are not allowed." The image I nominated is released under both a Creative Commons and a GNU Free Documentation License, both of which are free licenses. This image falls into a gray zone since it isn't released under a free license and it's copyright isn't being used under fair use. I examined the archive of photos and couldn't find precedence for a featured picture selected with this type of licensing. If this type of objection is cleared I'll retract my objection.-Vcelloho (talk) 16:08, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's get this straight: the license of this picture is CC-BY. As simple as that. Only that it's paraphrased in favor of people who are not license-savvy. CC-BY means:
 * You are free: to Share — to copy, distribute and transmit the work
 * You are free: to Remix — to adapt the work
 * You are free: to make commercial use of the work
 * Under the following conditions: You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work).
 * Now compare: The copyright holder of this file allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that The Konflikty.pl website is stated as the source of the image. Thus, if this photo were to be denied on the basis of beingn non-free, the same would have to happen with any image not in the public domain, and especially CC-BY-SA and GFDL, as their terms of use are more restrictive, thus less free. The image in question is available under a free license, not one of the template licences, but a custom license (eg. it frees the user from having to decide whether to attribute by nickname or real-life name) whose wording, however, corresponds directly to CC-BY. (air)Wolf (talk) 17:03, 3 July 2011 (UTC) PS. File:F-16 Solo Display Team Radom 2009 b.JPG, File:Let L410UVP-E16 Góraszka 2008 edit2.JPG, File:HMCS St. John's Gdynia.JPG, File:Ursus Darłowo 2009.JPG.
 * Ok glad that's cleared up. -Vcelloho (talk) 17:13, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. And in my opinion Vcelloho joke is not funny. PMG (talk) 08:58, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support -- George Chernilevsky  talk 13:11, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support--Mbz1 (talk) 18:21, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Caption issue: Per WP:CAP, captions should only use terminal periods following a complete sentence. The first phrase in this caption is a sentence fragment. I suggest the following as a solution: "The ORP Grom, a fast attack craft of the Polish Navy, adorned with flags for Navy Day" —Eustress talk 12:47, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Just add the fragment in parentheses from the original caption and you have my full support for your version. (air)Wolf (talk) 13:43, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and one more thing, I do believe the correct term is dressed, not adorned, when referring to a ship and those little flags. I am not 100% sure, but my Google search seems to have proved that it should really be dressed. (air)Wolf (talk) 13:47, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose Just doesn't feel like this would fall among Wikipedia's best work to me. The position of the sun drowns out the vibrancy of the colors in the picture, and the fact that the watercraft is docked decreases the EV of the pic as a "fast attack craft" to me. Comparing to other pics in its category, this one just doesn't compare. —Eustress talk 12:57, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

--Makeemlighter (talk) 20:13, 11 July 2011 (UTC)