Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Pilgrims at Arafat

Pilgrims at Arafat

 * Reason:Good, encyclopedic image. No other image of this kind on wiki.
 * Articles this image appears in:Mount Arafat, Hajj, Ihram clothing
 * Creator:Self made


 * Support as nominator Muhammad Mahdi Karim (talk) 13:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment-- Me not being a Muslim, I am not familiar with the Day of Arafat practices. What exactly is it that these boys are doing, and how is it different than what they might do on a different day, or at a different place?  Spikebrennan (talk) 13:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The boys are "praying". There are several supplications that are recited asking for forgiveness, increase in sustenance, etc. These boys are reciting one of them. The Hajj comprises several practices and not all of them include praying and supplicating. Repentance and supplication is mostly done in Arafat on Arafat, whilst other activities are done during the other times. Hence what these boys are doing can not be done effectively during another time or place as Arafat is the designated place. For more info please read the article. Muhammad Mahdi Karim (talk) 14:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * My question is, are they praying in any way that is visually distinct from the way that they would pray at annother time or at another place? Since this image is being offered as encyclopedic of Mount Arafat and Hajj, I am trying to understand how this image is encyclopedic specifically in reference to those topics.  Spikebrennan (talk) 22:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The image is different as it shows these boys wearing two pieces of clothes which would not be worn except during Hajj. Muhammad Mahdi Karim (talk) 03:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If the garments are special, I would suggest altering the caption to specifically call attention to this. The image might also be encyclopedic with respect to articles about those garments.  Spikebrennan (talk) 14:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Caption changed. Muhammad Mahdi Karim (talk) 17:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd go a step further: add the photo to the ihram clothing article, because this image is very encyclopedic of that (more so than of Hajj or of Mount Arafat). I would then support.  Spikebrennan (talk) 18:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks Muhammad Mahdi Karim (talk) 19:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose: What's special on that averagely image? Nothing. Just averagely, not more. Even not very sharp, exposure not the best. —αἰτίας •'discussion'• 21:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * What is special is what the image shows. The image may not be the best quality but I believe it is encyclopedic. Muhammad Mahdi Karim (talk) 03:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Question. Just looking at the size, I was wondering if this was a crop or just a downsize? If it's a crop, you don't have one with the lefthand guy's foot and a bit more at the bottom do you? It's a good and useful image, but I'm not sure it's FP quality - other than being unique on wiki, is this something that is very rarely photographed or hard to photograph for some reason, and that may excuse some of the issues? --jjron (talk) 12:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Its not a crop, just downsize. It is rarely photographed because this event occurs just once a year. Also because when one goes to Arafat, one has to spend the night there and do a lot of walking the next day, hence luggage is also kept to a minimum. Most people have cameras on their phones and consider taking another camera a burden. Hence the few good images.
 * Oppose, I don't think that really captures the size of hajj or the villages on the plains of Arafat, etc. Sorry.  In any case, Happy Eid (late). gren グレン 13:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The pictures of the tents are good and as you say, "really captures the size of hajj" but I believe pictures like these too illustrate Hajj. I mean, how often do you see youths praying :)? Thanks for the Eid greetings. Muhammad Mahdi Karim (talk) 17:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Taking into consideration the rarity of this image, I think it satisfies all of Featured picture criteria. Please check the criteria one by one with thispicture and let me know where this picture fails. Thanks Muhammad Mahdi Karim (talk) 17:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and above comments. H92110 (talk) 15:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose While encyclopedic, this picture has too many technical flaws, and doesn't have the wow factor to outway them. The contrast is messed up, especially with some of the white on the robes glowing, almost to the point of vignetting, and some goofiness with the man on the left sticking out from the background. If these problems could be rectified, I would change to support. Clegs (talk) 05:50, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

MER-C 03:04, 26 December 2007 (UTC)