Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Rape of Tamar

Rape of Tamar
Voting period ends on 11 May 2012 at 23:50:01 (UTC)
 * Reason:High quality, visually striking, by a notable artist.
 * Articles in which this image appears:Tamar (2 Samuel) (Eustache Le Sueur, new)
 * FP category for this image:Featured pictures/History/Others (?)
 * Creator:Eustache Le Sueur


 * Support as nominator --Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:50, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not sure whether the black border is a part of the painting, probably not. Btw, the biblical text doesn't mention the knife.  Brand meister talk   10:24, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I trimmed the blackspace. Cannot say what is in the Bible, although we should note that most works have at least some artistic license. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:07, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support trimmed version. As to the other, I'm afraid that's going to be the case in most paintings.  (See, for instance, the various depictions of the story of Judith.) Gotta put that art history degree to some use, no?-- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:52, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Trimmed. Saffron Blaze (talk) 15:12, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment The artist misunderstood the topic; I afraid. Here it seems that Amnon threatens to kill her if she doesn’t cooperate; but there is less chance that a Jewish girl of that time gives more value for her life than her virginity. According to the narrative in 2 Samuel 13, she was raped by her half-brother Amnon, not threatened; so this image is not well describing the topic. Just my thoughts. Jkadavoor (talk) 05:03, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I have difficulty imagining a rape without either violence or the implied threat of violence. As noted above, when artists adapt scripture they generally have to use artistic license in their interpretation (note how many versions of The Last Supper there are, for example). Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:21, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it was just by physical force; my opposition is on the knife part and Amnon's expression. I respect the artist's freedom if it does not hurt the subject's(here Tamar's) dignity. :) Jkadavoor (talk) 16:05, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, although needless to say we cannot know how it happened exactly. Even modern documentation of events (except those specifically about said events) omit details. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:18, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree. And the art is 'visually striking'; no doubt. The posture of all three persons are interesting. Jkadavoor (talk) 03:56, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Trimmed. Sanyambahga (talk) 06:29, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

--Julia\talk 15:56, 19 May 2012 (UTC)