Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Shanghai mourns

Locals mourning after 2018 knife murders at Pubei Road, Shanghai
Voting period ends on 29 Jul 2022  at 07:06:07 (UTC)
 * Reason:zhwiki FP. It's true that the clarity is not very good, but the community over there insists that the image meets FP standards.
 * Articles in which this image appears:2018 knife murders at Pubei Road, Shanghai
 * FP category for this image:Wikipedia:Featured pictures/History/Others
 * Creator:Medalofdead


 * Support as nominator – Q𝟤𝟪 07:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think that it is considered impossible to find a technically superior image for this subject, so lower quality may sometimes be allowed. Q𝟤𝟪 07:16, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose Very low quality.  --Janke | Talk 09:33, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, I think, though it's one that's going to be very hard for us to judge. This kind of image - lower quality, but possibly an iconic image of a tragedy - is really hard to judge if you don't speak the language. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8% of all FPs 03:53, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Technical quality is still criterion 1 at WP:FP?. While this image may meet 4-7, it fails 1-3. Zhwiki might have different standards, but I don't think it meets ours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahecht (talk • contribs) 20:59, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Low quality and limited EV. --Tagooty (talk) 02:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment, as per FP sub-criteria 1.4 this could bypass the first three sub-criteria's 1.1 to 1.3. This then raises the question whether the image meets 1.4. As per criteria 2 there is also an exception clause which could apply to this image. This could also pass the other requirements, even 3. However, coming back to uniqueness and the historical clause, I would say no. This is based on the reasoning that this is the second level of separation from the main incident. Further this second level of separation does not convey enough. This can also be compared with similar images that media houses have used, say with the number of flowers varying or the angle. While I have rejected the image as per FP's objective and subjective clauses, I am leaving this as a comment. These kind of journalistic images, off-hand, taken in the moment, are rare on Wikipedia. Placed alongside text and more context the images can wonderfully add to Wikipedia's voice. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 13:35, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

--Armbrust The Homunculus 13:00, 29 July 2022 (UTC)