Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Solipskier

Solipskier
Voting period ends on 13 Sep 2014  at 01:21:27 (UTC)
 * Reason:An interesting gameplay video of Solipskier, useful in illustrating both the game (long in the article) and the concept of scores (newly added)
 * Articles in which this image appears:Solipskier, Score (game) (just added)
 * FP category for this image:Featured pictures/Culture, entertainment, and lifestyle/Entertainment
 * Creator:Greg Wohlwend/Mikengreg


 * Support as nominator – — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:21, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose Low EV, IMO. OK in the article, but not as FP. --Janke | Talk 06:18, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * How in the world can a video of gameplay have low EV in an article on the game itself? That's like saying a scan of a painting has no EV in an article on the painting. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:34, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry if you misunderstood, I probably said it in a wrong way - I meant low value on the front page, as a FP. (Note that I said: "OK in article") --Janke | Talk 14:04, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * What does its maybe eventual appearance on the main page have anything to do with it not being Featured Pictures material? Why is that the main reasoning? If we're basing this on pictures that would be good on the main page or not, we might as well delist this for being too controversial. GamerPro64  14:14, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * FP =/= POTD. POTD must be an FP, but not all FPs will be a POTD. Merkin is one, and there is the image of the defecating seagull, the etching of the defecating woman, etc. FP judges on the image and its relevance to the article, not to the main page. "We already have a featured picture of this bird species" might be a valid oppose, but "we already have too many pictures of birds on the main page, so this has no value there" is almost certainly not. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:25, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It's always been clear to me that FPC is a pipeline for delivery of material to POTD. I don't know why other people are in denial about this. There is no substantial other purpose to FPC than this role towards POTD. Samsara (FA • FP) 09:55, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * FP is a recognition of work by content contributors, including but not limited to photographers, restorationists, people who search for free content which can be added, and people who negotiate the release of free content. FP is recognition, pure and simple, like FA, FPo, FT, FS, GAC, and FL: we say "good job, you did some great work, and this is an exemplary contribution". POTD, meanwhile, is the process in which an image/picture considered good by the community is put on the main page for one day. POTD, though dependent on FP, is not the same process, and there is no inherent reason why an image which becomes FP must automatically become a POTD somewhere down the line. It's a very basic difference, a simple one, and that you consider the ability to differentiate the two "get[ing wool in our eyes]" is disheartening for me. I'd love to debate the philosophy behind this some more, but WT:FPC would be a much better venue than this nomination. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:42, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Support - Especially interesting since it is a capture of the game's creator (Greg Wohlwend) playing his own game. Such footage isn't common by any means, and the fact this was released for use in the article is awesome. ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  14:50, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Support but 10 bonus points to anybody who watched it the whole way through without skipping or zoning out. Belle (talk) 17:57, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Yay, I got ten points! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:05, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Support (uploader). Actual gameplay footage and from the developer at that. I thought this was quite a catch. Let me know if there is a better way to convert the video. I have the original file and used Miro to convert but I don't know if I should have done something else special in the conversion process. WP/Commons has very little documentation on video work. czar ♔   02:28, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose Very poor EV. There are thousands upon thousands of these types of developer videos on youtube, nothing especially interesting with this one. -- CFCF  🍌 (email) 08:35, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * EV where, exactly? Are there thousands of thousands of developer videos of Solipskier on Youtube? Or various other games which have no relevance to Solipskier? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:53, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I, too, think this has low EV. A more informative video would be aimed at demonstrating elements of the gameplay (i.e. played in a manner that shows how the game works, as opposed to being played to achieve a high score by essentially repeating a single move as it is in this case). It could be paused at various intervals and annotated to explain the mechanics on screen (the numbers appearing at the bottom, how the score multiplier is functioning, what the icons at the right end of the screen indicate etc.) as opposed to letting the viewer intuit what is going on. This is much more informative and encyclopedic than a simple recording of gameplay. It's admittedly a higher threshold of work by the creator than this case - but FPs aren't supposed to be easy to make. As for the creator playing his own game, that's largely irrelevant. This is a screen capture, it may as well be played by anyone - it's not as though we have a video of him sitting there playing and commentating his game. It doesn't enhance the EV even if it may be an interesting tidbit. 24.222.214.125 (talk) 15:26, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * That would be an interesting (and useful) approach, and one I've never seen done in any free media we have. That being said, such a video would then have almost no EV in the Score (gaming) article, but then such is the nature of EV: variable between articles. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:40, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Though I don't see this as having a massive amount (at least not FP-worthy amount) of EV in the Score article. In my view, I struggle to see any directly recorded gameplay video having sufficient EV without some additional work. I'd love to see someone take a try at making something, though.24.222.214.125 (talk) 04:08, 8 September 2014 (UTC) I may as well be a responsible IP and remember to sign...
 * Weak support Boring, but I guess it has EV in the article --Muhammad (talk) 08:49, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

--Armbrust The Homunculus 02:00, 13 September 2014 (UTC)