Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Toni Frissell: Weeki Wachee spring (1947)

Weeki Wachee spring, Florida (1947)
"Fashion photograph at Weeki Wachee spring, Florida. Toni Frissell was born into a wealthy New York City family and took up fashion photography professionally only after she got fired as a caption writer for Vogue. Even though her work spans the spectrum from society photography (amongst others, the Kennedy–Bouvier wedding) to social issues (ranch life in Texas and Argentina; Frissell also volunteered for the American Red Cross during World War II), she is remembered as a fashion photographer and recognized for her stark imagery and as being among the first to take fashion models out of the studio into nature, as this 1947 picture at the newly opened Weeki Wachee Springs roadside attraction shows."
 * Reason:Iconic image by one of the foremost female American photographers. Proposed extended caption:
 * Articles this image appears in:Toni Frissell
 * Creator:Toni Frissell
 * Nominator: trialsanderrors


 * Support &mdash; trialsanderrors 11:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Support. Very nice find.  Good caption, but it should have something specifically about this photo as well.  Who is the model?--ragesoss 18:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No idea. That's something that's rarely ever recorded in fashion photography. I'll do some more search on Google books. ~ trialsanderrors 19:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * support per nom Debivort 19:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Support per nom --antilivedT 21:38, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Super support coool. gren グレン 22:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment The idea that all photographic collections gifted to the LOC are free is a lovely one, but I think it's on pretty shaky ground. Note on the LOC website for this collection "There are no restrictions known to the Library on the use of images with original negatives, with the exceptions noted below. Photographic prints for which the Library does not hold negatives may have been produced as "work for hire" and copyright may be held by the original client. Privacy and publicity rights may apply." Do we have any other evidence that this is in fact free, and not work for hire? I'm not trying to be wonky, but this is a free encyclopedia, and our FPs should be impeccably free. Sadly, the LOC does not always get it right in terms of copyright, and while they aren't going to get in trouble because of it (probably why they aren't that careful), re-users may very well. Mak (talk)  23:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * See the link in the license box: The picture is LC-F9-02, so it falls into the category where Ms. Frissell asserts that she holds/held the rights. The images have also been available commercially for a while, so if Harper's Bazaar asserts copyright then I'd think they would have taken appropriate steps already. Also, the fact that the image was published by Harper's (a Hearst publication), Sports Illustrated (a TIME publication) and in Ms. Frissell's book lends credence to her ownership claim. ~ trialsanderrors 23:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Brilliant, thanks for clarifying that. Mak (talk)  23:54, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, at first I didn't quite believe that it was PD either. ~ trialsanderrors 23:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * what an absolutely fantastic and well-meditated photograph. And in the public domain! -- drumguy8800   C   T  03:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Support! But I agree that, if possible, the caption should say something about this particular photo. --KFP (talk | contribs) 17:35, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem is that with limited preview the Google books I found have her biography but when it comes to talking about her work the pages are inaccessible. Maybe I'll stop by at the library next time I'm on campus. The name of the picture indicates it's been taken at Weeki Wachee Springs. Does that help? ~ trialsanderrors 18:11, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Support and I agree that we need more info about this particular photo.  howcheng  {chat} 16:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Support. Wow! Khoikhoi 03:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong support Very artsy, even creepy. And of course, encyclopedic in terms of Frissell.  Jumping cheese   Cont @ct 07:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Iconic of what? The caption and context for the image are insufficient. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 17:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This is still original research and I can't confirm until go to campus next week (it's Spring Break here and I'm working from home). The Weeki Wachee Springs roadside attraction was opened in October 1947 and picture was first published in Harper's Bazaar in December 1947. So it's likely that the picture was used to illustrate an article on the new attraction. I contacted the media manager at WWS to confirm, and hopefully the December 1947 issue is available at the Berkeley library. On the "iconicness", Frissell was among the first photographers to take her models outdoors, and this is an–admittedly extreme–example of this new trend of outdoor photography. ~ trialsanderrors 19:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, this has to remain original research for the time being, as the Dec 1947 issue of Harper's is missing from the Berkeley library. I adjusted the caption accordingly to reflect what seems uncontroversial. ~ trialsanderrors 20:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

--KFP (talk | contribs) 12:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * CommentContrary to the information on this site and the Library of Congress (!) this picture is not published in the December 1947 issue of Harper's Bazaar. I own a pristine copy of this magazine and the Frissell photo is not to be found.