Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/Butt, Baden-Powell, Taft, Bryce2.jpg

Butt, Baden-Powell, Taft, Bryce2.jpg
Voting period ends on 13 Aug 2010 at 15:13:30 (UTC)
 * Reason:The image quality is fine, but there is simply no context; the EV is not in any way clear. For this reason, it is not to appear on the main page. The meeting is not mentioned in any of the three articles- the image isn't really adding much, and the articles wouldn't be losing much if it was removed- it pretty clearly fails FPC#5, to my eyes. I am reminded of this image, which was opposed because of EV concerns. As an aside, with only three supporters not including the nominator, the nom would not be considered to have a consensus to promote today.
 * Articles this image appears in:Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell, James Bryce, 1st Viscount Bryce, Archibald Butt
 * Previous nomination/s:Featured picture candidates/Butt, Baden-Powell, Taft, Bryce
 * Nominator: J Milburn (talk)


 * Delist &mdash; J Milburn (talk) 15:13, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delist questionable EV, only passed with 3 votes, which is less then current standards. — raeky  T  15:23, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delist. I'm not for applying current standards to previous promotions (e.g., 'wouldn't have enough votes today'), but indeed dubious EV, and frankly pretty poor composition - if a Wikipedian photographed and nominated this with contemporary notable figures it wouldn't stand a chance (additionally it seems Archibald Butt was only identified through some slightly questionable OR). However, I don't believe the editor/nominator has been notified? --jjron (talk) 12:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Photograph restorer now notified.  Mae din\ talk 21:31, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Millions of people visit Wikipedia each day. It's always struck me as vaguely ridiculous that a picture can get promoted to Featured by three or four of those people and demoted again by another two or three. Do whatever you feel is in the best interest of the project, guys. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 01:53, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. 60MP of four notable figures, identified in the LoC original, legitimately promoted. Papa Lima Whiskey  (talk) 09:57, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't dispute any of those points, but where's the EV? J Milburn (talk) 10:23, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The official meeting of the gentlemen shown emphasises their respective roles and standing in society. It was among Bryce's duties to attend and mediate at official Presidential occasions that were relevant to Britain. It shows Baden-Powell's reputation and that even in its early days, the importance of the Scouting movement was being duly noted at the highest levels of public life and administration. It also may be one of the last photographs of Butt (presidential aide, hence appropriate for the photo), who boarded the Titanic in 1912, with fatal consequences. Papa Lima Whiskey  (talk) 10:50, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * All fairly interesting, yes, but the meeting isn't mentioned in any of the articles, and it doesn't really serve to illustrate anything in any of the articles. They would hardly be worse off without it, so far as I can see. J Milburn (talk) 10:58, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The caption in Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell makes it very clear how it relates to the article. There has never been an obligation for a figure to be mentioned in the article itself. Papa Lima Whiskey  (talk) 13:12, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No, of course not, I didn't say there was. All I was saying was that it was not clear why the meeting warranted illustration, and therefore it wasn't clear what the image was intending to illustrate, or what meant it had the kind of EV necessary for a FP. J Milburn (talk) 16:25, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: Really impressive resolution, and I find it worthy just as portraits of the men and of official duties bringing them into circulation. (Also a great size reference for Taft.)   Mae din\ talk 13:57, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

--Makeemlighter (talk) 17:00, 13 August 2010 (UTC)