Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/File:Melo aethiopica 001.jpg

File:Melo aethiopica 001.jpg
Voting period ends on 11 Jun 2012 at 17:55:07 (UTC)
 * Reason:Procedural nomination. Was removed from article for being the wrong species
 * Articles this image appears in:None (was: Melo aethiopica)
 * Previous nomination/s:Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Melo aethiopica 001.jpg
 * Nominator: — howcheng  {chat}


 * Delist &mdash; — howcheng  {chat} 17:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, not necessarily procedural depending on (a) how sure are we it is misidentified, and (b) if it is incorrect, can we correctly identify it and thus add it to an appropriate article? If we can't definitely ID it, then obviously agree with delist on EV grounds. I'm not sure the creator is particularly active on enwiki, but pretty sure he's quite active on Commons; either way he doesn't look to have been notified of any issue. --jjron (talk) 12:46, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops, forgot that step. Notified now. — howcheng  {chat} 16:17, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

"Difference of M. aethiopica to M. broderipii: In Melo aethiopica the protoconch doesn't surmount the last whorl or only marginally, in Melo broderipii it does significantly." In the depicted specimen the last whorl does surmount only marginally, and so it is aethiopica in my opinion. Which species is it in your opinion and which character(s) is it based upon? I miss both in the delisting article, the name of an alternative species and the character(s), which lead to it, and the characters, which exclude M. aethiopica. I would be glad, if you could tell me something about the correct determination. --Llez (talk) 17:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Question: On the description page I wrote:
 * User:Invertzoo is the one who removed it from the article. Please talk to her. — howcheng  {chat} 18:29, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

There is a delisting-discussion caused by your removing of a picture of Melo aethiopica, see. I please you to explain the reasons, why you removed it, especially the characters, your decision is based on. As far as I know, the only character is the protonch (and according to this it is a aethiopica; see also the link to M. broderipii on the description page of the picture of M. aethiopica), all others (shell form, colour and so on are variable and/or depending of age) are not suited for exact determination. If it is neither aethiopica nor broderipii, what do you think it is? By the way, we had a similar discussion on Commons about the same subject, and you can see the result: It is still listed as aethiopica. Please anwer on the page (see above), where the delisting is discussed. Greetings --Llez (talk) 11:19, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Info I made the following note on Invertzoo's talk page:
 * Hello. Sorry to have caused a problem with this. I myself am not an expert on the family Volutidae and the genus Melo, and my decision on this species was based on advice from an editor who has since left Wikipedia, User:MerlinCharon.
 * At the time I was convinced by MerlinCharon's argument, but of course my decision could have been incorrect. I would guess that only an expert on the genus could give an expert opinion, and even then it's hard to ID species from a photo rather than the shell itself. However, since this is a very fine photo and since it's unlikely that anyone looking at the photo could be absolutely certain of the species on this shell either way, I would be perfectly happy to see it go back in the article, so feel free to restore it. Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 12:36, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So, are we adding it back into the article? --jjron (talk) 16:47, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that the article has any room for more pictures. It's a one-line stub with a huge infobox and 3 pictures already. — howcheng  {chat} 17:31, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair call. Unless someone can sort out the usage, preferably by expanding the article, I'm going have to support the delist. FWIW, why was this issue so happily ignored during the original nom - the 'article' was already littered with images then. --jjron (talk) 02:44, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

— howcheng  {chat} 16:19, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Still not used in an article... Makeemlighter (talk) 02:44, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * So....? -jjron (talk) 13:19, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That should be an automatic delist, then. No article = no star. And although Invertzoo says she's fine with putting it back in, she also concedes that the photo may not actually depict the species in question, so that's two strikes against it. — howcheng  {chat} 16:34, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * So I don't want to get yelled at again for making a common-sense decision! Pretty clear delist as far as I'm concerned, but there aren't 5 delist votes. Makeemlighter (talk) 19:26, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You could vote and let someone else close it. :) — howcheng  {chat} 20:14, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well given it has the big "Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes." thing up I guess no one else can vote now anyway. And if no one's willing to delist without the five votes for fear of a dressing down, maybe it needs to be renominated based on its non-usage now being apparently locked in? --jjron (talk) 13:42, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Will do. — howcheng  {chat} 16:19, 15 June 2012 (UTC)