Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/File:Socks cat 1.JPG

Delist: File:Socks cat 1.JPG
Voting period ends on 26 Jun 2014  at 15:49:33 (UTC)


 * Reason:See this discussion at commons. Photographer appears to be incorrectly listed here as Barbara Kinney, a White House photographer.  More likely, copyright belongs to an AP photographer according to the file's metadata, attribution on other articles (e.g., ), and that the photo can be found under photo ID 940319058 (and others) at apimages.com.
 * Articles this image appears in:Socks (cat), List of cats, several others.
 * Previous nomination/s:Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/File:Socks_cat_1.JPG
 * Nominator: I, JethroBT  drop me a line


 * Delist &mdash; I, JethroBT  drop me a line 15:49, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I'd be careful about trusting such things: it's not at all uncommon for image libraries to include public domain works and happily charge for their use. Credit is given to Barbara Kinney here: http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2008/12/12/clintons-socks-the-cat-near-death - so let's not rush to this. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:05, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Good point. I've emailed Marcy Nighswander, the AP photographer credited on their site, to ask if she is indeed the photographer. Incidentally, it looks like there are many photos by many different photographers of socks on the podium. So given it was taken in 1994, it might be that Marcy doesn't actually remember if this image is actually hers or just one similar to it. &#208;iliff    &#171;&#187;  (Talk)  22:09, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I think we're going to have to delist. I received a response from Marcy and she's confirmed that she is the photographer:
 * David,
 * Thanks for asking. I shot the photo as a staff photographer at The Associated Press. They own the copyright. Barb, a White House staff photographer, did not shoot it.
 * Marcy Nighswander
 * So there you go. &#208;iliff    &#171;&#187;  (Talk)  23:28, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delist Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:57, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delist per above. &#208;iliff    &#171;&#187;  (Talk)  23:28, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delist, a blasted shame. Of course, of Marcy were willing to donate this under a free license... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:20, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * She's not able to. As per her email, she doesn't own the copyright, AP does. &#208;iliff    &#171;&#187;  (Talk)  09:06, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, right. Missed that. Blast. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:31, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Question regarding procedure: If the image was found to be non-free and deleted on Commons, wouldn't that automatically remove its FP status here? I understand that it helps inform editors, but isn't this Delist discussion rather redundant? --125.25.60.91 (talk) 13:22, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Kinda. It wouldn't automatically happen. We'd get a red-link everywhere that it's used. Better to be aware of it and do it procedurally. &#208;iliff    &#171;&#187;  (Talk)  15:50, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think User:CommonsDelinker does most of the work, but agreed. Good research, albeit unfortunate result. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:43, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delist as above. Slightly worrying that this has happened, given that the likes of AP photographs (due to the troublesome NFCC#2) are some of the most problematic non-free images. J Milburn (talk) 09:09, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * In the end, USA Today are the ones at fault. I'm not sure of the law, but think that it's the same as unknowingly being sold stolen property: you might have to give it back, but... Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:14, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

--Armbrust The Homunculus 05:47, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy close, image was deleted on Commons. Armbrust The Homunculus 05:47, 23 June 2014 (UTC)