Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/Sunset in Bangkok

Bangkok skytrain sunset
Voting period ends on 5 Apr 2013 at 22:56:49 (UTC)
 * Reason: While the image has a striking appearance due to the dramatic sunset, its technical quality no longer meets the minimum requirement for Featured Picture status since it has very small dimensions and has some image noise. It is not even 1 megapixel. Such a picture should be replaceable with a photo taken from the same vantage point during a similar sunset using more modern equipment. The encyclopedic value is also diminished because in the almost ten years since this picture's promotion, new tall buildings have been constructed that would be visible from this location today, such as the W Bangkok. As such, it represents a very outdated view of the rapidly developing city.
 * Articles this image appears in:Bangkok, Emergence, Golden hour (photography), List of national capitals in East, South, and Southeast Asia, List of neighbourhoods in Bangkok, Urban ecosystem; Empire Tower, Bangkok (a crop thereof); Robot Building (a crop thereof).
 * Previous nomination/s:Featured picture candidates/Bangkok skytrain sunset.jpg (A delist for this image was suggested in Featured picture candidates/Auditorio de Tenerife although it was not actually nominated for delisting)
 * Nominator: dllu (t,c)


 * Delist &mdash; dllu (t,c) 22:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. I think the only legitimate reason for delisting above would be the outdated skyline. I don't think there's any significant noise in the photo (it was taken at ISO400 and is downsampled, which minimises visible noise anyway), and we've already agreed that with recent increases in minimum resolution required, we aren't going to apply it retrospectively to existing FPs. But otherwise fair enough, I've never had the opinion that a FP should be for life. &#208;iliff    &#171;&#187;  (Talk)  09:48, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delist. I do not feel that such a small picture of something so large is appropriate. Regardless of minimum sizes and so on, this is too small for a picture of a skyline. J Milburn (talk) 19:46, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I can easily upload a 6 megapixel version of it (perhaps slightly less as it might be cropped), but I think it was a bit motion blurred as I took the photo stretched out of a window to get this view. &#208;iliff    &#171;&#187;  (Talk)  11:37, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you should upload the 6 megapixel version. As per Image guidelines, "Images should not be downsampled (sized down in order to appear of better quality)." dllu (t,c) 21:03, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure those guidelines didn't exist in that form at the time of upload, but yeah no reason not to upload at max res these days. I've uploaded the original 6MP image over the top of it. &#208;iliff    &#171;&#187;  (Talk)  22:22, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I have struck out the part about the minimum size. However, my delist still stands because of the outdated skyline. dllu (t,c) 01:54, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. Seeing the skyline change can itself be useful. If it stops being used in articles, then we can reconsider. Adam Cuerden (talk) 05:36, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment I just replaced it with File:Allianz Arena zu verschiedenen Zeiten.jpg at Golden hour (photography) because the new picture seems more didactic. J Kadavoor J e e 06:15, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you've misunderstood what golden hour is... The image you replaced it with doesn't illustrate golden hour well at all in my opinion. Golden hour refers to the golden hue of sunlight in the first and last hour of daylight. None of the individual photos illustrate it well. In fact the middle photo which is labelled golden hour is taken after sunset during the blue hour - this is clear by the very blue hue of the image. The first image is the closest to golden hour, but it's a poor example as there is very little of the typical golden sunlight in the photo - it's more of a pale yellow. I've reverted. There must be thousands and thousands of more representative images that could illustrate the article. &#208;iliff    &#171;&#187;  (Talk)  09:36, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK; I respect your opinion. But people at de:Wikipedia:Kandidaten_f%C3%BCr_exzellente_Bilder/Archiv2008/8 had a different opinion. J Kadavoor J e e 16:00, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see anyone in the discussion you linked to talking about the golden hour, but I don't speak German so I had to use google translate and perhaps I missed something. But anyway, IMO you only have to read the golden hour article to realise that it doesn't illustrate well what the article describes. &#208;iliff    &#171;&#187;  (Talk)  20:47, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

--Armbrust The Homunculus 06:39, 6 April 2013 (UTC)