Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/fogbow

Fog bow

 * Reason:Encyclopedic value
 * Articles this image appears in:Fog bow Glory (optical phenomenon)
 * Creator:Mbz1


 * Support as nominator Mbz1 (talk) 05:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Original version of this edit was nominated Here. As you could see it not only failed to get promoted, but what was much, much worse than this I made some very incivil comments toward the opposers of the image for what I am sorry. I've decided to nominate the image again because IMO it is an interesting image and not so many people know about these phenomena. The edit was downsampled and I've made some noise reduction, which IMO improved the quality of the image. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Technical quality is, well, pretty terrible -- ⁪ffroth 19:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose both The first one is very confusing; it's hard to tell what you're looking at even after reading the caption. Alternate has bad lighting quality and artifacting. Clegs (talk) 00:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose both by Clegs. —αἰτίας •'discussion'• ( Happy new year! ) 00:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Support (preference for original). Made me go and read three articles and learn some new stuff - surely this is what an FP is really about? Quality is acceptable. Having said which, are you sure that the shadow in the original is strictly a brocken spectre? The alternative is a bit too shadowy, and I like that the GG Bridge in the original gives a good size comparison, and it also shows a good 180° of bow. --jjron (talk) 12:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Support original but we need to make it clearer exactly what we're looking at and which phenomenon is which; we need to specify what part is fogbow and what part is glory, for example. As with Jjron, I'm not sure that what's here qualifies as a brocken spectre because I'm not sure I see an actual shadow here, just the glory. Matt Deres (talk) 15:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your questions, Jiron and Matt. I believe I'm not very good at explaing my images. am I. Fogbow is the outside white half-circle. The glory is rainbow colored circles in the middle of fogbow. The spectre of the Brocken is my own black shadow inside the glory and, yes I'm sure it was the Spectre of the Brocken. Please take a look at this crop [[Image:Spectre and glory.jpg|64px]] of the original image (Of course nothing good could come out, if one crops the image, which was taken with 8mm fisheye lens :).) May I please ask you to compare it with much better and much clearer image, which was of course taken with a zoom lens. See how similar the shadows (the Spectre of the Brocken) look? Of course in my Original part of my shadow (my Spectre of the Brocken) is covered by the Bridge shadow (could not help it). It is really amazing to see the Spectre of the Brocken in a real life. These shadows are three dimensional and seem to be floating in the air and it feels as I'm myself floating with my shadow too.--Mbz1 (talk)
 * I wasn't questioning that your shadow was there, I just wasn't sure whether it was a Spectre of the Brocken, largely to do with the size of this shadow as discussed in the article (it talks about them being very large). It sounds a fascinating thing to experience. --jjron (talk) 16:55, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Jjron. The size of the Spectre of the Broken as the size of the normal shadow depends on the position of the sun. Most Specters are seen, when the sun is low. That's why the size of the Spectre of The Brocken is usually huge. In my situation the image was taken with the sun still being high. I was able to see these phenomena only because I was looking straight down from the bridge. That's why the size of my Spectre of the Brocken was not as big, and once again the image was taken with 8 mm fisheye lens. It is also interesting to mention that everything (fogbow and the glory) is centered around the observer. If a person would stay next to you, you still would see only one (your own glory and only one your own Spectre). If you take a camera out of your eye and move your hand with camera few degrees off, the glory at the image would be centered around your hand, which is holding the camera. Yes IMO it is really fascinating to see. At one point I wanted to travel to Germany to Brocken just to see these phenomena.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I'd also like to share with you this inage [[Image:Night spectre of the brocken.jpg|64px]]. This Spectre was created not by the Sun or by the Moon for this matter, but by the high lights of my own car. That's why you see not just one, but two Spectre of the Brocken. IMO the best way to explain the Spectre of the Brocken is not by its size, but rather by the form of the shadow. As you could see the shadow looks more like rays and it what it really is, just one more form of Anticrepuscular rays. On the other hand as you could see from this image [[Image:Roadfogbow.jpg|64px]] my shadow is very big, but it is a normal shadow and not the Spectre of the Broken. I'd also like to mention that to me much more important is not your support, but your interest to the image.--Mbz1 (talk) 18:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I do realize that most of you not only never seen a fogbow, but not even ever heard about it. IMO one could think of fogbow and glory as of paintings at the fog. May I please ask you to look at this image and at this image. They both are from famous atmospheric optics site, which I recommend to everybody, who's interested in AO. Here's my own image, which was published at APOD. I hope that looking at these images may help you to realize that the quality of the nominated images are as good as it gets with such subjects. If I may, I'd also like to mention that I sent my original image to Les Cowely from  this atmospheric optics site and he called it "remarkable". He told me as soon as he has time he would add it to his collection of fogbow images.Thank you--Mbz1 (talk) 15:45, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

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