Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Peru


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured portal candidate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the portal's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured portal candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

Portal:Peru
Self-nomination. After lots of work, it seems to me Portal:Peru is ready for a featured portal nomination. As there are very few active members at WikiProject Peru, this portal is designed to be as low-maintenance as possible. It currently has 15 selected articles, 20 selected pictures and 10 DYK sets each with 5 hooks, all of which rotate randomly thanks to the random portal component template. All selected articles are either featured or good articles and all the DYK hooks are properly referenced in their linked articles. There is no selected biography component because there are very few high quality Peru-related articles at Wikipedia so it would make no sense to split them in two sections. The only portal section that requires manual updates is the Peru news section and this has been continuously and regularly updated for over a year. As for other components there's a things you can do section, a Peru topics section plus related portals and wikiprojects sections. Every now and then you might see an occasional red link, they are a reflection of the limited number of Peru-related issues currently covered at Wikipedia and an encouragement for further contribution. --Victor12 (talk) 17:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * 1) The top image is a bit too self-referential for my taste, others may disagree. Cirt (talk) 17:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Changed banner --ErickAgain (talk) 02:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC).
 * - Way too tacky. Really this top banner is not needed at all, I think it should simply be removed altogether. Cirt (talk) 22:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Is this a personal taste or shouldn't there be banners at all? Take a look at the featured portals Portal:Japan and Portal:Africa which also use banners and the criteria for portals state: attractive, aesthetically pleasing. --ErickAgain (talk) 11:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC).
 * I agree, what's the criteria for removing the Portal banner? The previous one was quite nice but was changed for being "to self-referential". How about going back to that one? --Victor12 (talk) 14:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:WIAFPO Criteria number 4. and Avoid self-references apply here. And yes it is also my taste as well. Cirt (talk) 19:02, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * For the time being I removed the banner. Banners always will be self-referential and thus will never meet the criteria. As portals are one of the few entities on wikipedia which are not entirely encyclopaedic but need to be attractive, aesthetically pleasing also, I still think the banner is a good addition to the portal. Further discussion on this subject should take place elsewhere until then the banner will remain hidden and this remark could be closed.--ErickAgain (talk) 19:16, 10 December 2008 (UTC).
 * 1) News section looks clunky, good be improved by standardizing with . Cirt (talk) 17:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean here. Coverage of Peru at Wikinews is quite spotty so no point in using the Wikinews Importer Bot. Any format improvement suggestions? --Victor12 (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * could be used, in addition to a few chosen news events as used currently. Cirt (talk) 00:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem with the bot is that there aren't that many news about Peru at wikinews. According to http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Portal:Peru there are only four Peru related news items for all of 2008 at wikinews so it would not be very useful to use the bot. Could you be more specific about why this section looks "clunky". --Victor12 (talk) 01:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It has redlinks. It has an awkward template-link to Wikinews at the bottom, instead of a different style which might mesh better with that subsection. Cirt (talk) 22:56, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Redlinks are there for a reason which I already explained in the first paragraph of this nomination. The purpose of this news section is not to serve as a link to Wikinews where, as I have said, coverage of Peru is virtually non-existant; the purpose is to point the reader to Peru related articles at Wikipedia. As for the template, I just changed it. Better now? --Victor12 (talk) 01:05, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * IMO and per general consensus from previous discussion in other WP:FPORTCs - redlinks really are not appropriate on a portal's main page, except usually in the Things you can do section under WP:Requested articles. Cirt (talk) 04:06, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, no red links now. --Victor12 (talk) 16:32, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Looks good. Cirt (talk) 22:45, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Category section text is a bit small, might look nicer if modeled after Portal:Sustainable development or Portal:Oregon. Cirt (talk) 17:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah this is a problem. I'll try to work on it. --Victor12 (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I changed the format of this section. Does it look better? --Victor12 (talk) 18:49, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Looks much better. Cirt (talk) 00:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Interesting style for Things you can do - I like it. Cirt (talk) 17:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Did you know footer could use a link to WP:Recent additions. Cirt (talk) 17:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * But that link is not Peru related. --Victor12 (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it provides links to other Did you know hooks for those that are interested. It is a fairly common feature on other WP:FPORTs. Cirt (talk) 00:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure about this one. I'd like to read more comments on this issue. --Victor12 (talk) 01:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * . Also this issue was raised by another editor, below. Cirt (talk) 22:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Added link --ErickAgain (talk) 15:27, 10 December 2008 (UTC).
 * 1) Missing: - Selected biography section. Cirt (talk) 17:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Already explained above. --Victor12 (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hrm, could there be some other sort of Selected section instead of biography? Perhaps cities, notable events, something like that? Cirt (talk) 00:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As I said above there are not many good articles to select from, plus adding one more section would unbalance the portal. --Victor12 (talk) 01:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There are always ways to work to rebalance the portal. And most WP:FPORTs do not have just one randomized Selected article section. Cirt (talk) 22:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, there's not enough high quality content to make a new section of selected articles. A notable events section could be possible but it would take lots of work and time so if this is a major obstacle for this nomination, then the portal should be failed until such work is done. --Victor12 (talk) 01:05, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is a good idea - it's not as good as just adding some other sort of "Selected content" section, but it would help. Good models are at WP:FPORTs: Biography, Religion, War, Holidays and Oregon. The portal just looks lacking/deficient with only the one Selected content section. Cirt (talk) 04:08, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Added a Selected anniversaries section "In this month" --ErickAgain (talk) 15:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC).
 * Added another selected article section "Selected battle" reflecting the turbulent history of Peru --ErickAgain (talk) 21:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC).
 * Done. Looks better. Cirt (talk) 22:48, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Would look nice with a Selected quotes section, Portal:Sustainable development has a nice model to use. Cirt (talk) 17:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * We had one such section but it had only two quotes, one of them not very relevant, so I removed it. A further problem with such a section is the need for reliable translations as most Peru related quotes are in Spanish. --Victor12 (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I am sure that you could find plenty of quotes in secondary sources if you give it a try, however this is generally an optional section and just a suggestion. Cirt (talk) 00:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This has not been addressed. Cirt (talk) 22:48, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It hasn't, however I thought the whole point of this objection was to get more selected content sections in the portal, not necessarily selected quotes. New sections have now been added to the portal, is there a requirement to have a "selected quotes" section in every featured portal? --Victor12 (talk) 14:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I am noting here that this is a suggestion, one that is certainly very doable, that was not addressed. Cirt (talk) 19:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * So the portal can be featured without such a section, right? --Victor12 (talk) 17:27, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Selected picture - missing roll-over caption on the images. Cirt (talk) 17:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't this be redundant? I mean the picture already has a caption beneath it. See Today's featured picture at Wikipedia's main page, it has no roll-over caption, just the name of the pic file. --Victor12 (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, this is a common feature on WP:FPORTs, and it looks better to have a rollover caption then something.jpg when the mouse moves over the image. Cirt (talk) 00:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Just added captions for all pics. --Victor12 (talk) 01:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 22:58, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Peru topics - better to subst the template instead, and then reformat the entries, for example see Portal:Education. Cirt (talk) 17:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... the thing is the topics template is subject to changes so I think it is better to transclude to have it synchronized with articles such as Peru, which feature the Peru topics/Content template. --Victor12 (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes but it looks quite odd with the current formatting/style. Best if someone associated with the portal were to keep on top of the changes and change the Topics subpage accordingly. Or better yet, choose the most important topic links and include those in the subpage, and begin to differentiate from the template. Cirt (talk) 00:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Does it look odd? How so? Maybe I've been staring to much at this portal to have an unbiased opinion, ;-) --Victor12 (talk) 01:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well for one thing the color scheme of the template does not jive with the portal itself. Cirt (talk) 22:59, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean. I'll try to work on this. --Victor12 (talk) 01:05, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Did some work on this. --ErickAgain (talk) 17:34, 8 September 2008 (UTC).
 * Done. Looks good. Cirt (talk) 22:44, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * There were some minor additions, probably optional, that I think would be nice:
 * 1) A clearly visible Show new selections button to purge the cache like Portal:Criminal justice
 * OK, agree and added, seems to be de facto standard on many featured portals. --ErickAgain (talk) 17:32, 30 September 2008 (UTC).
 * 1) Image captions for Selected article and Did you know...
 * Added captions --ErickAgain (talk) 10:37, 30 September 2008 (UTC).
 * 1) A More link for that particular article/picture on Selected article and Selected picture like Portal:Criminal justice
 * Added (more...) link to abstract of selected pictures and articles like in the intro. Not to the footer of the box. --ErickAgain (talk) 19:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC).
 * 1) I also think a link to Recent additions on Did you know... might be a nice touch.
 * 2) Making all the box titles either italicized or not italicized.
 * Made all headers italic except the main portal header as on the featured Cuba portal --ErickAgain (talk) 10:44, 30 September 2008 (UTC).
 * 1) Image mapping the icons under Related portals to the respective portals: see Portal:Schools/Related portals Thanks, --Jh12 (talk) 09:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Great solution. Made it so, idem for Wiki projects --ErickAgain (talk) 11:11, 30 September 2008 (UTC).
 * Many thanks for the quick responses. If all of Cirt's issues can be resolved, this portal has my full support. I agree that one more box would be nice, either a Selected biography or the Notable events/In this month section. Some other issues include the cleanup of Peru news (perhaps removing the redlinks and some of the extra whitespace between the news and footer), and possibly the additional of the Recent additions link and Selected quotes. --Jh12 (talk) 18:23, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No red links or extra whitespace in the News section now. --Victor12 (talk) 03:34, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Jh12 (talk) 20:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - With the addition of the anniversaries section and fixes overall, I believe this portal has reached featured status. --Jh12 (talk) 22:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - Thank you for addressing my above comments. Especially thank you for removing the self-referential banner. Cirt (talk) 19:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.