Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates/delist/United States Navy Band - O Canada.ogg

Delist: United States Navy Band - O Canada.ogg
Previous nomination: Featured sound candidates/United States Navy Band - O Canada

I know this is right after the promotion, but it seems that this file has had longstanding issues that we were not made aware of. First, there is heavy resistance to this being prominently used (it's been relegated to a gallery near the bottom.) Second, it's not the full anthem. Third, it is a significant reinterpretation of the piece.

If it's not going to be used prominently, its' encyclopedic value is poor. If it's not correct, its' encyclopedic value is even poorer. This should be delisted.


 * Nominate to delist  S ven M anguard   Wha?  03:51, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose It's the only modern instrumental we have, that's of good quality and it's at the gallery because the article's major contributors think that's an appropriate place for the sound and the ENTIRE anthem is rarely ever played... from the recordings in the gallery, only 2 verses are sung at most... I'm assuming you're talking about the US Navy Band and not that horrid performance linked in "Previous nomination". — James (Talk • Contribs) • 2:33pm • 04:33, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed that link, blame Adam's template for that (:D). As for your oppose, what do you think about the accuracy concern?  S ven M anguard   Wha?  05:20, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Accuracy concern? How come this concern hasn't been raised here Sven? Please explain. If you mean lacking the entirity of the anthem then that exists throughout many instrumentals in the articles on other national anthems, then I don't see much of a problem. — James (Talk • Contribs) • 11:12am • 01:12, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you mean that it doesn't do multiple repeats of the same tune? I think that's awfully nit-picky. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:51, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should have been clearer earlier. It has to do with liberties taken with the melodies and the drums. This is taken from Talk:O Canada:
 * "I completely disagree. I will say the recording quality is better, but it takes liberties with the melody adding harmonies into song that are not official. Also, it's only a single verse long while the anthem, and the recording is three verses long. Finally, the drums are personally repulsive. It makes it feel like a Sousa march or military processional and Canada is not as militaristic as the United States is, and hopefully never will be. Couple these faults with the nationalistic bent and proud sense of heritage and you have solid reasons for not making the navy band version the lead version of the hymn. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:37, 12 April 2011 (UTC)"
 * Reading that was part of the reason I went for the delist.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  06:57, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That was so nationalistic on so many levels... but true, :S I'll try find the "correct" version of the anthem. — James (Talk • Contribs) • 5:22pm • 07:22, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

The FS is kept. The consensus appears to be in that direction --Guerillero &#124; My Talk  05:26, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delist: A brass band performace is probably one of the least-valuable of the possible types of performances, only beat by that weird clock-chime performance. One with lyrics is much more valuable, and we have two of those options. Since this is just part of a gallery, don't think it's shown sufficient value to overcome the inherent problems of an instrumental performance of a vocal piece. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:55, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand your concerns, but may I say that the performance is not of a bad quality and doesn't detract from the quality of the article, it's one of the highest quality performances in the whole article. Unless you can find a better performance, which I have failed to do. — James (Talk • Contribs) • 10:43am • 00:43, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep—unless I can understand what "official" harmonies are. Tony   (talk)  12:29, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It should be noted that this is the "official" U.S. Department of Defense arrangement that is used by all U.S. military bands for ceremonies involving Canada. --Adam (talk) 15:25, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep it is the best version and still meets the criteria. Zginder 2011-04-25T06:31Z (UTC)
 * Keep So... someone doesn't like the arrangement. The one used as the official US Dept of Defence. I don't really understand the problem. The piece still passes muster and I think should still be an FS. Of course, should another less controversial version arise, then we can vote on that too. Major Bloodnok (talk) 10:56, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep IIRC, the DOD gets their sheet music for their national anthem performances directly from the government of each country. So this performance is based on sheet music the Canadian government provided. It's used during official state visits and is thus about as official as it gets. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 08:32, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

