Wikipedia:Featured topic removal candidates/Invincible (Michael Jackson album)/archive1

Invincible (Michael Jackson album)
Fails 1d. as Heaven Can Wait (Michael Jackson song) has existed for 10 years. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 21:49, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: Er, actually, it seems to have just been redirected to the album... If you think that song's article *should* exist, then you can revert and discuss the redirect, which was made without a discussion. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 23:53, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Restored. I expect the next step will be AFD where we will discuss if it should exist (even though Speechless (Michael Jackson song) is literally built upon the same type of sources Heaven Can Wait is citing now, but as that one is a FA, no one questions its validity). Furthermore, WP:NSONGS is clear "Notability aside, a standalone article is appropriate only when there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album." If Heaven can wait, so can this FTRC. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 02:21, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * "Heaven Can Wait" needs and AFD in the meantime. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:02, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Anyone can open one, but skimming the other articles, all of them but "Butterflies" include unsourced statements and unreliable sources (although Butterflies includes a reference to Discogs). This is a common problem I have found with several pre-2015 good/FA/FL articles, they simply don't age well. They get stuck in the year they are written as Wikipedia moves forward. If you add that the writers leave the project, that no one maintains them (through edits and updates) and that new editors add unsourced content, you end up with disasters like In My Place or Djibouti women's national football team. Removing "Heaven Can Wait" might gain the FT some time, but eventually "Wikipedia:Featured topic removal candidates/Invincible (Michael Jackson album)/archive2" will exist because the other articles are a reflection of how articles were written in the early 2010s. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 07:31, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Remove per Tbhotch. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:23, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Remove Heaven Can Wait (Michael Jackson song) is not a redirect and is currently a mainspace article. If it is not notable that can argued and discussed at AfD, but it currently is an article and thus is in the scope of the topic, and the article is not GA+.  Spy-cicle💥   Talk? 00:57, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Consensus to delist as good topic Aza24 (talk) 22:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)