Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2007 April 30/Eurocoins

Various EU Currency pictures

 * Image:2e comm.png
 * Image:1c comm.png
 * Image:2c comm.png
 * Image:5c comm.png
 * Image:10c comm.png
 * Image:20c comm.png
 * Image:50c comm.png
 * Image:1ec bel.png
 * Image:2ec bel.png
 * Image:5ec bel.png
 * Image:10ec bel.png
 * Image:20ec bel.png
 * Image:50ec bel.png
 * Image:1e bel.png
 * Image:2e bel.png
 * Image:1ec ger.png
 * Image:2ec ger.png
 * Image:5ec ger.png
 * Image:10ec ger.png
 * Image:20ec ger.png
 * Image:50ec ger.png
 * Image:1e ger.png
 * Image:2e ger.png
 * Image:1ec gre.png
 * Image:2ec gre.png
 * Image:5ec gre.png
 * Image:10ec gre.png
 * Image:20ec gre.png
 * Image:50ec gre.png
 * Image:1e gre.png
 * Image:2e gre.png
 * Image:1ec es.png
 * Image:2ec es.png
 * Image:5ec es.png
 * Image:10ec es.png
 * Image:20ec es.png
 * Image:50ec es.png
 * Image:1e es.png
 * Image:2e es.png
 * Image:1ec fra.png
 * Image:2ec fra.png
 * Image:5ec fra.png
 * Image:10ec fra.png
 * Image:20ec fra.png
 * Image:50ec fra.png
 * Image:1e fra.png
 * Image:2e fra.png
 * Image:1ec ire.png
 * Image:2ec ire.png
 * Image:5ec ire.png
 * Image:10ec ire.png
 * Image:20ec ire.png
 * Image:50ec ire.png
 * Image:1e ire.png
 * Image:2e ire.png
 * Image:1ec ita.png
 * Image:2ec ita.png
 * Image:5ec ita.png
 * Image:10ec ita.png
 * Image:20ec ita.png
 * Image:50ec ita.png
 * Image:1e ita.png
 * Image:1ec lux.png
 * Image:2ec lux.png
 * Image:5ec lux.png
 * Image:10ec lux.png
 * Image:20ec lux.png
 * Image:50ec lux.png
 * Image:2e lux.png
 * Image:1e lux.png
 * Image:1ec nl.png
 * Image:2ec nl.png
 * Image:5ec nl.png
 * Image:10ec nl.png
 * Image:20ec nl.png
 * Image:50ec nl.png
 * Image:1e nl.png
 * Image:2e nl.png
 * Image:1ec oes.png
 * Image:2ec oes.png
 * Image:5ec oes.png
 * Image:10ec oes.png
 * Image:20ec oes.png
 * Image:50ec oes.png
 * Image:1e oes.png
 * Image:2e oes.png
 * Image:1ec por.png
 * Image:2ec por.png
 * Image:5ec por.png
 * Image:10ec por.png
 * Image:20ec por.png
 * Image:50ec por.png
 * Image:1e por.png
 * Image:2e por.png
 * Image:1ec fin.png
 * Image:2ec fin.png
 * Image:5ec fin.png
 * Image:10ec fin.png
 * Image:20ec fin.png
 * Image:50ec fin.png
 * Image:1e fin.png
 * Image:2e fin.png
 * Image:5e rec.png
 * Image:5e ver.png
 * Image:10e rec.png
 * Image:10e ver.png
 * Image:20e rec.png
 * Image:20e ver.png
 * Image:50e rec.png
 * Image:50e ver.png
 * Image:100e rec.png
 * Image:100e ver.png
 * Image:200e rec.png
 * Image:200e ver.png
 * Image:500e rec.png
 * Image:500e ver.png

Per commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Template:Eurocoins and the recent board decision that licenses which are deemed as unfree by commons aren't allowed on the different wikipedias (with the exception of fair use and these pics are obviously replaceable fair use). All were found using this link search. Yonatan talk 05:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * These really need to be tagged and the uploaders notified first before any action can be taken. --Iamunknown 12:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That's easier said than done, these where uploaded around July 2002, but we don't have any records over image uploads going back further than Upload log archive/November and late October 2002. When the was some fairly massive change in the backend software and database. These images are simply atributed to "(Automated conversion)" wich is just a placeholder, not a user acount or bot. --Sherool (talk) 16:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, silly me (I didn't even look :-(). Then delete away!  --Iamunknown 23:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Can't find the original uploaders so we'll just delete all the coin pictures.  WHAT THE HELL FOR?????  Surely we should be improving this encyclopedia instead of destroying it. Frankly, the wholesale deletion of thousands of pictures is ripping the heart out of what was a valuable resource. It is the policy that is wrong, not the use of the images. This is getting insane... leaving thousands of articles with missing pictures making a mockery of the content.  Don't believe me? then take a look at the 1 euro coins article. Astronaut 03:08, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with Astronaut - it looks like all these images were deleted with no attempt being made to notify the talk pages of the articles where they were used, where someone could have written fair use rationales, causing massive damage to many prominent articles. Process wonkery is getting completely out of hand. I remind the deleters that we are here to create an encyclopedia, not vandalise articles without prior notification, and their activities are not assisting our ultimate objective. -- Arwel (talk) 00:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all, I'm not a vandal. Secondly, all of these were supposedly free, however they weren't actually. You can't "add a fair use rationale" for them as free alternatives could easily be reproduced, thereby making them replaceable fair use. Yonatan talk 05:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * How come the images weren't free? In the case of images of Euro coins and notes, I'm pretty sure the free use of such images was permitted, so long as it was not possible to make counterfeit currency from the images.  I will try to find a source, but failing that I will try to seek permission for their use on Wikipedia direct from the European Central Bank.  I really would rather not scan my coin collection to just to reproduce images that are freely available for download from the ECB []. Astronaut 22:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

All this copyright paranoia¹ — leading to pseudovandalism of many, many articles — on Wikipedia is really getting very irritating. I've posted a note at Talk:Euro asking for Free (or fair use) images to be uploaded. If I get a chance over the weekend, I'll look at the ECB site and check the copyright status of images; if they're free or available as fair use, I'll do a big batch of uploading.

But seriously, guys, we really need to get over this copyright paranoia. We're making an encyclopædia here. Some images simply aren't available as Free (libre) images and removing all the images "because they might not be fair use" (or, worse, because they are) makes a mockery of the idea that this site is a good, worthwhile encyclopædia. I know your intentions are good but really, it is resulting in something that can only be described as vandalism, depleting the value of Wikipedia as a resource.

I'm in full agreement with Arwel and frankly, if Yonatan thinks "free alternatives [can] easily be reproduced", I'd invite him to reproduce those images himself. It's all well and good going on a crusade to remove all the non-Free images on Wikipedia, but it'd be nice if those same people would make at least some attempt to replace all the images they're removing.

1: I note the use of on the proposer's User page

— OwenBlacker 11:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The subject of Euro coins has come up again, this time on the Help Desk. Seems like there might be a solution: Upload to Wikimedia Commons and ensure the template  is attached.  Of course be sure to also add an  template to identify the source of the image.  Astronaut 15:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Awesome. I'll try to get a chance to sort that out over the next week or so, then. Thanks for the heads up, Astronaut — OwenBlacker 14:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)