Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2008 February 8



LETTER L WITH MIDDLE DOT images

 * Image:LATIN CAPITAL LETTER L WITH MIDDLE DOT.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Friviere ( [ notify] | contribs).
 * Image:LATIN SMALL LETTER L WITH MIDDLE DOT.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Friviere ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Unused, don't accomplish anything that plain text would not do as well or better, and the text they do have is a mish-mash of French and English. -- Caerwine Caer’s whines 03:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete – plain text would work better if we ever need something like this. —Remember the dot (talk) 22:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - Agree with above, plus, though trivial, it's actually a mix of English and Catalan. Deg2800 (talk) 14:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - It was used here Most of the language is Catalan. It's an iso code, and a prosecuted cultural sign of Catalan culture. If there's no freedom here to show it, where? --Paco &#9993; 19:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * But why isn't it currently used in any Wikipedia pages? Badagnani (talk) 19:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that those two characters are considered today to be mistakes inherited by Unicode from a legacy encoding made without input from Catalans, so I hardly call "Ŀ" a sign of Catalan culture. "L·" perhaps, but it's use in Catalan is dealt with already in the article about "·"  Caerwine Caer’s whines  20:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Rivers_and_Dave.jpg

 * Image:Rivers_and_Dave.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Egg_Creations ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * uploader seems to have lots of copyright troubles and marked it his but gave a message board as the source Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:RiversCuomo_Weezer.jpg

 * Image:RiversCuomo_Weezer.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Phxtri ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * same as above Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:28, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


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Image:01AwcAX06iTrgAAAABAAAAAAAAAAA_.jpg
Deleted by Nv8200p   Compwhiz II ( Talk )( Contribs )  21:25, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:01AwcAX06iTrgAAAABAAAAAAAAAAA_.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Devin.laneop ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Copyright violation - Scan of a school portrait Nv8200p talk 03:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
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Image:06.JPG

 * Image:06.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Rusky_26 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 04:10, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Commons image showing through --B (talk) 03:47, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:06081011.JPG

 * Image:06081011.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Dark_Horse_King ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Nv8200p talk 04:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as one of many such images uploaded by Dark Horse King. I've nominated the rest of these below. Caerwine Caer’s whines  05:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:074.JPG

 * Image:074.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Stratt-daddy ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Nv8200p talk 04:12, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:08102007402.jpg

 * Image:08102007402.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Nabihaqc ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 04:14, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:101_0017.jpg

 * Image:101_0017.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by CamieD ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 04:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:12_o_clock.jpg

 * Image:12_o_clock.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Kevmo7 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Nv8200p talk 04:21, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:120306_11551.jpg

 * Image:120306_11551.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Led2life ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Low quality, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 04:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The picture is Santana Moss, which doesn't currently have a photo. I don't know if this one is worth using, though. --B (talk) 03:53, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:122152536.jpg

 * Image:122152536.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Iamwisesun ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Nv8200p talk 04:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:1244251419_2d24b03c56.jpg

 * Image:1244251419_2d24b03c56.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Jd.101 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Nv8200p talk 04:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Orcafeedseal.jpg

 * Image:Orcafeedseal.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Bobisbob ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * There is no source or author information. The uploader says it is in the public domain, however it looks like a recent, professionally shot image. Probably this is a case in which other sites are using the image, so it was assumed to be free. Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 04:26, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep: I have been told by someone who used it that the photo is a still from a film of an orca bull charging up on the beach and grabbing and tossing around a seal lion pup (which escaped) and that the photo has been in the public domain for many years. Bobisbob (talk) 20:47, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I think think you could be right about it being from a film. It looks to me like an image from a BBC TV series narrated by David Attenborough. I am not sure which series but it could be the Living Planet. If so it will still be in copyright and not public domain. Probably Heisenberg (talk) 21:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete: The image is from the BBC´s living Planet series where Orca´s from four areas of the world are presented - Tysfjord Norway, Northern New zealand, Johnstone Straights and Punte Del Norte In Patagonia. As such, the image is copyrighted and not under public domain. SammytheSeal (talk) 14:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Further discussion : Unless the website Bobisbob quotes as having given permission to use the image via CC can show provenence to the copyright of the image, it should be removed. Copyright of imagery from the BBC Living planet series remains with the BBC NHU. SammytheSeal (talk) 15:07, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:This_one_mrs_davis.jpg

 * Image:This_one_mrs_davis.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by JasonG ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 04:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Bg1.jpg

 * Image:Bg1.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by JasonG ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 04:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:12498616848641684682.jpg

 * Image:12498616848641684682.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by JasonG ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 04:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Rt4.jpg

 * Image:Rt4.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by JasonG ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 04:28, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Hfgdangf5.jpg

 * Image:Hfgdangf5.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by JasonG ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 04:28, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Fdsagfdah6.jpg

 * Image:Fdsagfdah6.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by JasonG ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 04:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Beckham2_copy.jpg

 * Image:Beckham2_copy.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by JasonG ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 04:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Beckham3.jpg

 * Image:Beckham3.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by JasonG ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 04:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:1315782916_6156c922b3.jpg

 * Image:1315782916_6156c922b3.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Jd.101 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 04:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:1325367145_ed7a39c319.jpg

 * Image:1325367145_ed7a39c319.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Zkce4 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Advertising Nv8200p talk 04:33, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:13th_cet_orig.jpg

 * Image:13th_cet_orig.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Jjykim ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 04:34, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


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Image:Jonathan Jon Pye z1.JPG
Deleted by Ryulong   Compwhiz II ( Talk )( Contribs )  21:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:Jonathan Jon Pye z1.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Dark Horse King ( [ notify] | contribs).
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 * Image:Jon Pye 2007.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs])
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 * Image:Drama exam4.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs])
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 * Image:JeffreeLondon.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs])
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 * The uploader has apparently confused Wikipedia with an image hosting site. This is one of a large number of such images which are unused, except for one or two he is using on his user page. -- Caerwine Caer’s whines  05:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Condensed to 1 list.   Compwhiz II ( Talk )( Contribs )  02:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete All non encyclopedic   Compwhiz II ( Talk )( Contribs )  02:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all except Image:Jonathan Jon Pye 13.JPG, and strongly advise the user to refactor his user page; Wikipedia is not a personal website provider. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 10:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Mike.  Majorly  (talk) 00:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete but let him keep one or two, as per usual practice. Nick (talk) 00:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
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Image:000 3412.jpg

 * Image:000 3412.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Scapegracex ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:3am.JPG

 * Image:3am.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Waqcku ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Akhand Bharat.jpg

 * Image:Akhand Bharat.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Ravichandar84 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is not orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Could a proper reason be given as to why the image should be deleted. - Ravichandar 13:35, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not deleted --B (talk) 20:22, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:CrawfordsCornerSeries.jpg

 * Image:CrawfordsCornerSeries.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Russharris ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:CreationMuseum13.png

 * Image:CreationMuseum13.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Anthony5429 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:DaleJarrettCar.jpg

 * Image:DaleJarrettCar.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by RadicalBender ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is not orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Ettuveedan.jpg

 * Image:Ettuveedan.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Malayaliyan ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is not orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Image kept -Nv8200p talk 00:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Jonathan Jon Pye 10.JPG

 * Image:Jonathan Jon Pye 10.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Dark Horse King ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Languages Of Europe.png

 * Image:Languages Of Europe.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Exttreme ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Lundy24511.png

 * Image:Lundy24511.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Caltrop ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Commons showing through. -Nv8200p talk 03:42, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


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Kept. —Remember the dot (talk) 05:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Newspapers.jpg

 * Image:Newspapers.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Gilabrand ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is not orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I don't know what the problem is. I see no reason why the photo should be deleted. It was discussed about a year ago, and no one has challenged it since then.--Gilabrand (talk) 21:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
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Image:P-is-true.gif

 * Image:P-is-true.gif ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Gregbard ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Priceright500.jpg

 * Image:Priceright500.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Webfan29 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is not orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Image kept —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nv8200p (talk • contribs) 00:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Sanal kumar.jpg

 * Image:Sanal kumar.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Adv. P. R. Bijuchandran ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is not orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Sprawltownroadplan.gif

 * Image:Sprawltownroadplan.gif ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Strongbad1982 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is not orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Listed at WP:PUI -Nv8200p talk 00:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:The-Triumph-of-David.jpg

 * Image:The-Triumph-of-David.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Demagee ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Image was deleted and re-uploaded and attached to an article. I re-nominated the image for failing WP:NFCC #8 Images_and_media_for_deletion/2008_February_17 -Nv8200p talk 00:58, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Token ring.png

 * Image:Token ring.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Magnus Andersson ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is not orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Commons showing through. -Nv8200p talk 03:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Usama Amir.JPG

 * Image:Usama Amir.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Usama Amir ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Vacation 20183.jpg

 * Image:Vacation 20183.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Geena db ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Vacher2.jpg

 * Image:Vacher2.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Matthieu Poisson ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is not orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Werner Erhard Larry King Live.jpg

 * Image:Werner Erhard Larry King Live.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Smee ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Auto listing incomplete IfD, image is not orphaned. BJBot (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:A Defecit of Decency.jpg

 * Image:A Defecit of Decency.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Yetiwriter ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * No article on the book, no discussion of the book in the Zell Miller article in which it is used. скоморохъ  15:08, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


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Image:Waterboard3-small.jpg

 * Image:Waterboard3-small.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by TopRank ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * a similar drawing could be produced by a wikipedian, using this as a source. it is not necessary to use a non-free image to show what waterboarding looks like. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:54, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a unique image and not easily replaceable. Lawrence  §  t / e  19:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It could be replaced if a Wikipedian drew a similar image. It is not being used to illustrate any specific waterboarding currently, it is being used to illustrate what waterboarding looks like generally in the upper right corner of Waterboarding and enhanced interrogation technique. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:02, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * And since the definition of waterboaring is contested, then that would open the door to an Original Research war. This image is uncontested as a depiction of waterboarding, and so it's irreplaceable at this time. Lawrence  §  t / e  20:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Can we not avoid original research by simply drawing a very similar image? Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * As the present photograph is acceptable under fair use, as it is a historic image and thus irreplaceable, what is the benefit to Wikipedia of replacing it? Lawrence  §  t / e  20:38, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The same benefit as the whole idea of having a free encyclopedia--that if we create a free image to replace it, that image can be reused and distributed by anyone without any copyright problems. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:46, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's clear that the primary reason Vann Nath painted this was to ensure that the activities that transpired in the Tuol Sleng Prison during the Khmer Rouge regime would be known, both in Cambodia and in the world. As such, this photograph of his painting is absolutely valuable, necessary, and irreplaceable--and (though he is not in good health), I am sure Nath would agree. Badagnani (talk) 20:49, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt that, but Wikipedia's mission is to make free information available to the world. Since we are using this image instead of creating our own, there are no free images of waterboarding anywhere. See my compromise proposal below. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Elian Gonzalez and the Kent State shootings have similarly irreplaceable, historically important fair use images. Images of actual waterboarding are extremely rare, and the Vann Nath image is similarly irreplaceable. Badagnani (talk) 21:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * But this article is not about one historical instance of waterboarding, it's about the practice as a whole. There's no dispute about what waterboarding looks like, which is what the top image is meant to show. We don't need to use a copyrighted image when we have multiple historical photos and paintings that can be used as sources for an accurate original image. Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This article includes a section on the historical uses of waterboarding. ( Hypnosadist )  23:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The painting is displayed in a torture museum in Cambodia and was likely painted by a Cambodian.  These facts about the painting and the photograph convey extra information and provide context about the history and use of waterboarding beyond the mere depiction of waterboarding itself.   While other depictions might augment the understanding of waterboarding, they could not substitute for the specific context that this particular image provides.   Turantual (talk) 16:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong keep - The image is an irreplaceable depiction of waterboarding, as practiced by the Khmer Rouge, and no other similar depiction is available. An image drawn by a Wikipedian would not have the authenticity of this painting, actually painted by one of the half-dozen or so survivors of Cambodia's most notorious Khmer Rouge prison, where waterboarding was routinely practiced. Badagnani (talk) 20:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * But because we use this image instead of using free image (in addition or instead), there is no free image of waterboarding that can be reused elsewhere. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:54, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Deletion gone overboard.  A drawing pales in comparison to an actual photo.  R. Baley (talk) 20:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, this is a painting, not a photo. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a photograph of a painting. Lawrence  §  t / e  20:35, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. If anything, it needs a better fair use rationale. But as a unique piece of art it obviously is irreplaceable.--Stephan Schulz (talk) 20:38, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Compromise proposal? I nominated this image because I think it is currently being used improperly, not to show waterboarding in a certain time and place, but to show waterboarding generally.  We also have a photo of waterboarding during the Vietnam War (http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/10/05/PH2006100500898.jpg) that is linked in the article as another historical source about what this looks like. Could someone more artistically talented than me be recruited to draw a general picture for the top right of Waterboarding and Enhanced interrogation technique, using these two images as sources, and we could move this painting down to accompany the Tuol Sleng section? (Where I think it would be appropriate.) Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Followup: I have asked User:Rama to do an illustration. (S/he has done great line drawings of people elsewhere in the encyclopedia.) I'm currently waiting for a response. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good idea, yes. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 21:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Strongly oppose compromise proposal. A Wikipedia-drawn facsimile of an irreplaceable, historically important image of actual waterboarding is most unsatisfactory at best. Badagnani (talk) 21:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keep This painting is an ACTUAL historical primary source, a line drawing is just not the same. ( Hypnosadist )  23:47, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Everything Badagnani has already said, more eloquently than I could. If Calliopejen1 is so keen to have a completely PD drawing, then produce that as well. I see no conflict there. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is an image from a torture museum in Cambodia, giving unique historical insight and veracity not easily replicated with a drawing by a wikipedian. henrik  • talk  13:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * IDEA This painting was created by a survivor of Khmer Rouge so that their crimes would be recorded for ever. It hangs on public display in Cambodias Holocaust museum so the crimes of the Khmer Rouge could be recorded for ever. I think if we ask them nicely they will let us have use of this image so that the crimes of the khmer rouge can be recorded forever. ( Hypnosadist )  15:22, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - The museum is likely not "wired" for email. I saw Nath interviewed briefly on an episode of Globe Trekker recently (which was probably filmed a couple of years ago). I assume he still lives near there. But even if we had someone go there to meet him and ask for the use of a photo of his painting, I'm sure he'd say, "Do whatever you want with it," then explain the reason why he painted it and placed it on display in the museum in the first place (so that the world would know what happened there). We have to be thoughtful and reasonable in everything we do. Badagnani (talk) 20:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * strong keep per Badagnani, and we need to find a way to curb this rampant, unwarranted image paranoia. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 20:17, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - We have such a way; it is called WP:SNOW. Badagnani (talk) 20:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Spot-on nomination. I could see this image being used if accompanied by sourced critical commentary of the specific event at the Tuol Sleng article or as an example of the art style and human rights activism of Vann Nath, but there is no question that its current usage at waterboarding satisfies the Wikipedia definition of replaceability. A free license sketch or diagram of the waterboarding apparatus would be far more informative, you could even go as far as to appropriate this free photo to illustrate the basic concept. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 10:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That picture is of a weights bench and cement mixer, any sources to say those are used to waterboard? ( Hypnosadist )  12:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Your insistence on using primary sources for procuring illustrations would eliminate nearly all user-generated media from Wikipedia. At some point you're just arguing that ceci n'est pas une pipe. That said, the flickr link is indeed a horrible substitute (even though a weight bench and cement mixer could suffice for a waterboarding apparatus). ˉˉanetode╦╩ 16:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * When we have a high quality primary source it should be used in preference to user-generated media. One has genuine histroical notability the other is made up by some-one who has never been waterboarded, seen it happen and is not a notable person in thier own right. ( Hypnosadist )  13:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * strong keep and opposition to compromise This is an image that holds authority, unlike a depiction by someone that's never seen it occur. It's valid under fair use and in my opinion removing it or replacing it with a non-authoritative drawing would damage the article. 82.27.27.18 (talk) 11:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. The image itself seems to adequately fulfill all the requirements of "fair use" and it not only has significance as an illustrative tool but it's artistic significance conveys a level of truth and meaning that would be missing in a graphic produced by an anonymous WP contributor. Geeman (talk) 01:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. No inherent WP:NFCC problem as far as I can see, and is a virtually unmissable way to clarify the topic at hand. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep and Opposition to Compromise This is historically important, and contains vastly more communicative value than a novel drawing can ever contain. Moreover, it is free to use, according to the photographer, so the compromise is pointless. Aminorex (talk) 15:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep but suggest perhaps tweaking the brightness and contrast for visibility. ~ UBeR (talk) 17:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete absolutely. This is not a historical photo, it's a non-free photo of a generic artwork.  It is completely replacable, and there is no possible fair use rationale.  &#10154; Hi DrNick ! 20:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * "This is not a historical photo" No what is in the photo (the painting) is of historical importance. "generic artwork" No this is a piece of art by someone who was waterboarded on that very piece of equipment depicted. Read Vann Nath. ( Hypnosadist )  21:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No, Image:Tank Man (Tiananmen Square protester).jpg is a historical photo that qualifies for fair use under the policies of Wikipedia. It is irreplacable.  That fact that the artist was himself tortured in this manner doesn't deminish his copyright under the law.  We can find a free substitute.  &#10154; Hi DrNick ! 23:00, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * And if an admin would contact him you could get his permision, he gave the picture to the Cambodian holocaust museum to promote the knowledge of these events. Its freely displayed there by the now owners. ( Hypnosadist ) 23:07, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * As for the historical nature of this event, in Vann Naths prison camp S-21 14,000 people entered, 7 Left! That makes Tianamen square look like the small meaningless political demo. This was part of the mass-murder of over two million people. Thats historical notability. ( Hypnosadist )  23:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Image kept. At this point in time, I believe this image is not replaceable with a free image. Any drawing would either be a derivative or original research. -Nv8200p talk 01:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
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Image:DSC07505.JPG

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 * given san francisco's age (not a particularly old city), this statue is probably copyrighted Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Google quickly yields this page, according to which the statue has been erected in 1901. Even if we assume the worst case, the artist, Douglas Tilden, died in 1935, i.e. the copyright has certainly expired. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 23:45, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Stephan Schulz. R. Baley (talk) 02:51, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Image kept. Sculpture is public domain in the United States. -Nv8200p talk 03:39, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
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Image:Siam tulip.jpg

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 * This is a very nice picture, and I'd hate to lose it. Unfortunately, the user who uploaded the photo retracted their initial GFDL release. Since this picture is replaceable, we should honor the uploader's change of license and delete the image from Wikipedia. —Remember the dot (talk) 23:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)