Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 April 6



File:Selection Birkenau ramp.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: keep. PhilKnight (talk) 09:02, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * Non-free historical image. Free equivalents are available at Commons:Category:Selection ramp Auschwitz II (Birkenau) Papa November (talk) 00:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. Actually, quite the opposite is true. The WW2 era photos on Commons should be deleted, as no German image from this era is public domain per the European harmonisation of copyright. WilliamH (talk) 00:34, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: You're right that there are no public domain images, but the Bundesarchiv has released many of its copyrighted images under a CC-BY-SA license. this and this are examples. Papa November (talk) 09:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. None of the commons pictures are free equivalents, and none accurately depict the vast scale of the selection ramp areas and related operations as well as the picture.Mosedschurte (talk) 00:40, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: I take your point about the scale issue, but there are plenty of other Bundesarchiv images in subcategories of commons:Category:The Holocaust which show the horror of the holocaust very effectively. I don't see why the image couldn't be replaced by this in the antisemitism article, for example. Papa November (talk) 09:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The Commons images do not convey anywhere near the same perspective and panoramic scope of the selection process, which is vital to the reader's understanding. The Fair Use rationales given for each instance of the image's use do appear to meet NFCC.  JGHowes   talk  00:53, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: The FURs are all identical, and none of them states why the image significantly improves reader understanding in that specific article. Why would the reader suffer if this low resolution non-free image was replaced by one of the high-res free alternatives I suggested? Papa November (talk) 09:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep per Mosedschurte. No free equivalent in commons for such a historically significant picture. Noon (talk) 00:56, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Which of the WP:SPEEDYKEEP criteria are you referring to? Papa November (talk) 09:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Can't see any reason to delete this. We know who took it; we know who owns the image now; we know it was donated to a museum. And we have a valid claim of fair use for a number of reasons. Do we suppose the SS officers' families might sue us? SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 01:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: The non-free content policy is for the benefit of the reader, not for the copyright holder. It's surely better to give the reader an image they can unquestionably use and distribute freely?  Papa November (talk) 09:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. The Commons pictures are nowhere near the equivalent, and their copyright status is dubious. The current wiki-en uses certainly qualify under Fair Use. Jayjg (talk) 02:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: The fair use rationales don't state the purpose of use for each article, or what specific aspects of the subject could not be illustrated with the free images. Papa November (talk) 09:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Commons pictures are not equivalent.  Fair Use rationale should cover this photo. Tundrabuggy (talk) 04:00, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment OK, I accept that there is a strong consensus to keep this image, but I don't feel I can withdraw this nomination until we've put made some positive improvements to the fair use rationales. I'm very nervous about the image being used in 11 articles with a cut-and-paste FUR that never mentions why this non-free image significantly enhances the reader's understanding in specific articles in a way that the available free images couldn't.  Take for example, Yekusiel Yehuda Teitelbaum (II).  The article never mentions the selection ramp.  What aspect of the article would the reader fail to understand if the image was replaced by this CC-BY-SA file?  Papa November (talk) 09:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. None of the proposed alternatives are equivalent because they do not depict the selection process.  Beyond what has already been said about scale, the selection process itself is historically important both in illustrating the Nazi practice of delegating death-or-life (or deferred death following labor) decisions to certain, often medical, personnel, as well as the speed and arbitrariness of those judgments.  The file in question illustrates these critical issues in ways that mere photos of individual (or groups of) victims do not. Ayed (talk) 19:33, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I've started trying to tidy up the fair use rationales, but I'd be very grateful for some assistance from people who are more familiar with the details of the subject matter. A list of articles in which the image appears is given (with comments) below. Papa November (talk) 10:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Antisemitism
 * Replaced by a free image. The purpose of the image appeared to be to show the genocide against the jews during the holocaust.  The same purpose is fulfilled (more graphically) by this free, higher resolution colour image. Papa November (talk) 11:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Auschwitz concentration camp
 * Fixed rationale. Image needed here because article gives a substantial description of operations on the selection ramp.  There are no unquestionably free images of prisoners being "processed" on the ramp. Papa November (talk) 11:12, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * End of World War II in Europe
 * Replaced by a free image. Article mainly discusses the liberation of the camps.  This free image of US soldiers viewing the newly discovered atrocities seems much more effective. Papa November (talk) 11:20, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Night (book)
 * Rationale improved - substantial amount of text in article about operations on the selection ramp. Papa November (talk) 11:33, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * History of antisemitism
 * Replaced by a free image. The purpose of the image appeared to be to show the genocide against the jews during the holocaust.  The same purpose is fulfilled (more graphically) by this free, higher resolution colour image. Papa November (talk) 11:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Adolf Hitler
 * No fair use rationale. Replaced by free image Papa November (talk) 11:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yekusiel Yehuda Teitelbaum (II)
 * Replaced by free image. Article makes no mention of selection ramp.  This iconic image of the railway tracks into Auschwitz works just as well here. Papa November (talk) 11:33, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Rudolf Vrba
 * Fixed rationale. Image needed here because article gives a substantial description of Vrba being put to work on the selection ramp.  There are no unquestionably free images of prisoners being "processed" on the ramp. Papa November (talk) 10:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The Holocaust
 * Fixed rationale. Papa November (talk) 12:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Holocaust train
 * Fixed rationale. Papa November (talk) 12:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Antisemitism in Europe
 * Replaced by a free image. The purpose of the image appeared to be to show the genocide against the jews during the holocaust.  The same purpose is fulfilled (more graphically) by this free, higher resolution colour image. Papa November (talk) 11:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: I have now either replaced the image or improved the fair use rationale for each use of the image. I think this satisfies my concerns about non-free content use.  Any other views on this solution? Papa November (talk) 12:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphan, not useful in articles – Quadell (talk) 01:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete  Zoo Fari  00:58, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I found this - so the image might possibly have a use. - Fastily (talk) 21:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom - Fastily (talk) 21:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: keep. PhilKnight (talk) 09:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep This is the Seattle Space Needle and the image clearly depicts the entity. I added the image to the appropriate article. - Fastily (talk) 17:52, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom - Fastily (talk) 17:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom - Fastily (talk) 17:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The person mentioned in the file description, Mike Wheeler, does not have an article or come up in search results.  - Fastily (talk) 17:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:20, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete After doing a quick search, I found this, which is the only mention of the Post Ranch Inn (part of the image description) in any articles. I suppose a delete here is justified. - Fastily (talk) 18:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:24, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:24, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment the article in question is HSL and HSV, and the subject matter is hue-saturation-value. 70.29.213.241 (talk) 03:39, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:25, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:25, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned personal file Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned personal image Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned personal image Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * Likely CV, uploader claimed as owned by then, obviously a publicity/promo shot. Ejfetters (talk) 06:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned personal image Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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206 ulster insignia.gif
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use unclear Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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Autoroute pause2.jpg
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use not stated Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:40, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * Unencyclopedic personal photo of unknown origin, possible CV from user's past uploads. Maybe warn/block user, has had several images removed for apparent CV. Ejfetters (talk) 06:42, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned personal image Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * likely CV as per above images, also orphaned. Ejfetters (talk) 06:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * OR, UE Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:49, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned personal image Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use unclear Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use unclear Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use unclear Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc. use unclear Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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Riviera The Promised Land Ein and Ledah.PNG
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 * Image seems be used purely to decorate the plot section. The rationale does not make it clear what it is that the image is actually illustrating, nor why it is required. J Milburn (talk) 10:42, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * The soundtrack is not the primary topic of the article, and the cover itself is not mentioned. Such an image may be useful for identification purposes in a soundtrack article, but in an article on the game, it is adding little and the use of a non-free image is not justified. J Milburn (talk) 11:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Disagree. The cover adds further visual interest and dynamism to the page. DrSturm (talk) 16:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It does add visual interest and dynamism to the page. However, that's not enough for us to use a non-free image. We have a pretty strict policy on when we can and can't use non-free images, and "decorative use" is a no-no, I'm afraid. – Quadell (talk) 11:11, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, decorative. – Quadell (talk) 11:11, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * The weapons are not discussed at length, and the method of selection/the icons are not discussed at all. The image has been merely tagged onto the end of the article, and its use is not justified. J Milburn (talk) 11:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. None of that is a fault of this image. Did you try to get those issues fixed before marking the image for deletion? &mdash;ZeroOne ( talk / @ ) 16:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. It isn't the fault of the image, but that's not the point. Our policy says "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." This image isn't necessary to understanding the topic. – Quadell (talk) 16:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. I have added the image into the Worms (series) article. I think it fits there better in those respects. Check it out. &mdash;ZeroOne ( talk / @ ) 16:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, decorative use only. Stifle (talk) 17:05, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. I have now described the menu in the image caption in the Worms (series) article. The image relates well to the section now. &mdash;ZeroOne ( talk / @ ) 08:22, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: keep. Judging by the similarity of File:Worms World Party screenshot.png, File:WormsArmageddon1.PNG, and File:WormsArmageddon.png, there is only a need for one out of the three, and File:Worms World Party screenshot.png contains elements that the other two omit, making it the best candidate for illustrating the concepts desired. So, while this is a little out of process, I am going to delete File:WormsArmageddon1.PNG and File:WormsArmageddon.png as redundant to File:Worms World Party screenshot.png.--Aervanath (talk) 15:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * The image does not illustrate anything in particular- neither the graphics or gameplay are discussed at length, and the image has been merely tagged onto the end of the article. Its use is not justified. J Milburn (talk) 11:09, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. Why would anyone want to delete an ingame screenshot? The picture of the cover tells absolutely nothing about the game, but you can get a pretty good idea of the game by looking at the screenshot. Also, there's no need to discuss the gameplay at length because it is identical to the previous versions. I quote from the article: "Like its predecessors, Worms World Party involves controlling a team of worms and using a collection of weaponry to eliminate the opposing team(s)." So, you can read the Worms Armageddon article if you need to know more about the gameplay. &mdash;ZeroOne ( talk / @ ) 16:11, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless the article is changed to discuss what is shown in the image. If the gameplay is not important enough to discuss in the article in detail, then it's not important enough to use a non-free image to illustrate it. – Quadell (talk) 16:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. I have now changed the article to discuss what is shown in the image, that is, discussed the gameplay. &mdash;ZeroOne talk / @ ) 08:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note - I originally closed this discussion as delete, however following a query by ZerOne, I've undone the close. PhilKnight (talk) 13:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - in Worms (series), there is already a screenshot, File:WormsArmageddon1.PNG and in this context, the image doesn't add much. In Worms World Party, the gameplay isn't discussed in detail, so I don't think a screenshot is necessary. PhilKnight (talk) 13:49, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Still keep. I have now expanded the article so that the Gameplay section is about 400 words long. When the image was tagged for deletion, there were less than 100 words about the gameplay, in the introduction. I have now directly referenced the screenshot in the discussion, too. &mdash;ZeroOne ( talk / @ ) 15:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. This screenshot can also be applied to Worms Armageddon, substituting the existing lower-quality screenshot there (File:WormsArmageddon.png was downscaled using a nearest-neighbor algorithm, which causes heavy aliasing), because the games are visually nearly-identical (and there are no varying elements in said screenshot). File:WormsArmageddon1.PNG illustrates the terrain generator used throughout all 2nd-generation 2D games (Worms 2, Worms Armageddon and Worms World Party), but is not an actual screenshot including the HUD. (I just uploaded a downscaled version of the screenshot in question, if this helps). --Vladimir (talk) 17:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete There are already enough images to illustrate the concepts this image purports to show. No need for an additional non-free image. — BQZip01 —  talk 14:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. I don't know if you read the comment above yours, but if we keep this screenshot, we could delete another one, File:WormsArmageddon.png, as it is of inferior quality. File:WormsArmageddon1.PNG on the other hand demonstrates just the terrain generation but the image is missing all the crucial user interface elements. &mdash;ZeroOne ( talk / @ ) 21:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I read all the comments. I have no issue with deleting another image instead of this one, but we need to abide by WP:NFCC and minimize non-free image use. If you have 3 images for two concepts, at least one image needs to go. — BQZip01 —  talk 01:45, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. :) You are right, I wasn't aware of the WP:NFCC concept you describe. In this case I'd describe the File:WormsArmageddon.png as the "additional non-free image", because it was uploaded in 2007, while the image whose deletion we are discussing now was uploaded already in 2005. &mdash;ZeroOne ( talk / @ ) 09:21, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
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Hans Aspergersmall.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * Non-free image where "the copyright status is entirely unknown". Image was just downloaded from the Internet. Damiens .rf 13:33, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. The topic of unknown copyright status just came up in Wikipedia talk:Non-free content , and the consensus so far is that most non-free images do not list copyright status and that there's no requirement that the copyright status be listed. Eubulides (talk) 19:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's silly. See NFCC. --Damiens .rf 19:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia talk:Non-free content  is about NFCC10a. The discussion there shows that the issue is not "silly". Eubulides (talk) 02:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, NFCC10a requires the copyright holder to be listed. – Quadell (talk) 19:57, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, lacks copyright holder. Note also that Eubulides has been behaving in the past few weeks as if the NFCC do not apply to "his" images- this one has been used inappropriately. J Milburn (talk) 10:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This is not "my" image. I did not upload it and don't even particularly like it as an image. I ask again that User:J Milburn refrain from personal attacks. Eubulides (talk) 02:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's not a personal attack. If you continue to ignore policy, I am going to continue to tell people that you are doing so, until you stop, one way or another. J Milburn (talk) 11:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have not ignored policy; there are legitimate questions about the policy and its interpretation here, which I have been addressing as noted above. Please refrain from personalizing disagreements and issuing threats, as that hinders collabration and works against the construction of the encyclopedia. Eubulides (talk) 21:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if there are legitimate questions here (which I doubt) there certainly weren't with previous image discussions, and the fact that there seems to be an "image out, new image in" thing going on makes me extremely dubious. Though I do not doubt that you aim to improve the encyclopedia, I just think we have different ideas of what a perfect encyclopedia would be... J Milburn (talk) 21:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, fails WP:NFCC. Stifle (talk) 17:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Please put this AfD on hold. Per the discussion linked to by Eubulides the non-free requirement for "copyright holder, if different from the source" appears to be unenforced as a matter of routine. I can find no non-free images (though I'm sure there are some) that list the copyright holder. Two famous examples: File:HardDayUK.jpg, File:Pepper's.jpg and they would be easy to find. Much more difficult for the 99% of less notable images on WP. I know about WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS but this is ridiculous. Colin°Talk 21:21, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Easy- copyright belongs to (or as good as belongs to) the record label. With images like this, taken from private collections, it's an entirely different matter. The issue is not as acute when the image itself is famous- it applies most to semi-historical photos like this. It is not acceptable that we use images but do not list the copyright holder. J Milburn (talk) 23:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "Easy" No way; it's not easy. The record label cannot possibly own all the copyright to the Sgt. Pepper cover. That cover is a collage of a lot of copyrighted works, for which the record company producer either had to obtain permission (in which case the record company almost certainly never owned those copyrights) or claim fair use (which presumably was legal, but the point here is that Wikipedia requires higher standards, right?). There's no practical way we could list the copyright holders for that file. Granted, collages are a special (and difficult) case, but even if we flouted Wikipedia policy and limited ourselves to just the copyright on the compilation of that collage, which record label would that be, actually? EMI? Apple? who knows? maybe Yoko Ono owns a piece of it now, or maybe Sony. We really don't know the copyright holders even for just the compilation, much less the entire image.
 * "The issue is not as acute when the image itself is famous" Sorry, I don't follow this point. The policy requiring copyright holder is the same for both famous and non-famous images.
 * Eubulides (talk) 06:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "Easy- copyright belongs to (or as good as belongs to) the record label." If WP's self-appointed copyright experts actually knew anything about copyright, rather than just spouting off opinions based on intuition, we might get somewhere. This isn't an aspect like style guides or WP:NOT where the consensus of the community (wise or otherwise) counts. This is a legal issue. Is the copyright-holder an explicit required stated fact in order to be able to claim FU? If it is, then 99% of WP's non-free images should go to AfD. Alternatively, it is just a "nice to have" and this AfD is pointless. Colin°Talk 09:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * U.S. copyright law absolutely does not require recognition of the copyright holder in order for fair use to apply. There is no legal requirement to list the copyright holder, but it is Wikipedia policy as currently written. This is under discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content, and I'd support putting this AfD on hold (or keeping the image for now) until we have a better idea on whether or not we're really going to delete all non-free images where the copyright holder isn't specified. Because it's a lot of images. – Quadell (talk) 12:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have asked for her opinion as she removed the "where possible" from this requirement in the NFC criteria (thus changing it from a "nice-to-have" to a "must-have"). However, Jkelly doesn't seem to be very active on WP. Colin°Talk 12:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Regardless of the 10a issues, it blatantly fails NFCC 8. A low quality image showing Asperger standing next to a child does nothing to enhance the reader's understanding of calling his patients little professors. This is covered quite adequately in the text, in that children with the condition develop vocabulary ahead of their peers. A photograph can not demonstrate this. I.e., the image is useless to the purpose. The rationale is also rather weak. It claims the image portrays an historically important event. Asperger standing next to a patient is historically significant???? --Hammersoft (talk) 13:45, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * While I agree with that opinion wrt the Asperger syndrome or History of Asperger syndrome uses it is invalid wrt Hans Asperger. There are no free images of Asperger, who is dead, and the image of a person on their biography page easily satisfies NFCC 8. Please could you strike or revise your opinion. Colin°Talk 13:58, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * At first pass I'd agree with you and acknowledge the mistake. In this case though, the image quality is extremely poor. I'd rather see the image here used. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:31, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The original is here and when reduced properly (rather than the simply resize Zeraeph did) it looks better. Yes that other picture is much better quality but it also completely lacks any copyright information and the improved quality works against us wrt fair-use. Preferring one image over another is not an AfD reason. If you can upload a better image, keeping from being AfD'd, and replace this one, then we can delete this one as unnecessary. In the mean time, could you amend your "delete" as it still doesn't appear to be valid. Thanks. Colin°Talk 19:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The original of the image being debated here is very poor quality. The one I noted is far superior in quality even if was reduced to 100px on the long side. As to identifying the copyright issue, I think that's a non-issue; the image is used on many sites, and I'm sure there's at least one that attributes. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:05, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, nobody attributes the copyright of that image. It seems only WP is being anal about it. Please can you find appropriate attribution if this is your case. Your deletion rationale appears to be that this image is a bit crap. Colin°Talk 21:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * In part, yes. And WP will be anal about it. --Hammersoft (talk) 21:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If a better image is to be substituted, I suggest a crop from Figure 1.1 (page 8) of Uta Frith's book Autism and Asperger Syndrome (ISBN 052138608X). Unlike the other images mentioned here, the Frith-book image does have copyright information. And it shows a younger Asperger, around the time of his discovery of autism (the work his fame is based on), doing a psychological test on a child at his place of work; for any of the articles being mentioned, this is a better image to have than either Hans Aspergersmall.jpg (an older Asperger) or http://www.refdag.nl/artikel/1331705/Slachtoffer+van+eigen+syndroom.html (an older Asperger, not with a child). I attempted to add an image File:Asperger-Vienna-clinic.jpeg containing this crop, but that image was almost immediately deleted as part of this longrunning controversy. Eubulides (talk) 23:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphan, blurry – Quadell (talk) 14:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * Permission is insufficient; tag is incorrect – Quadell (talk) 14:34, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn   Skier Dude  ( talk ) 08:11, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphan, not enough info to determine encyclopedic use Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:42, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn. Figured it out. Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:44, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphan, likely copyvio, unencyclopedic, image masquerading as article Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphan, not useful for an encyclopedia – Quadell (talk) 15:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete probably a test upload. It seems like it was created by MS paint.  Zoo Fari  00:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * the definition of non-fair use: using a recent news photo to illustrate a news event. fails WP:NFCC2 Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:07, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * the definition of unfair use: recent news photo used to depict same news event. fails WP:NFCC2 Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * the definition of unfair use: recent news photo used to depict same news event. fails WP:NFCC2 Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * while Media coverage of the Iraq War is an article you would expect to have fair-use images, this particular image contributes nothing to the reader's understanding. it appears to be a random screenshot just to demonstrate that the network did in fact cover the iraq war. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * while Media coverage of the Iraq War is an article you would expect to have fair-use images, this particular image contributes nothing to the reader's understanding. it appears to be a random screenshot just to demonstrate that the network did in fact cover the iraq war. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: keep--Aervanath (talk) 15:46, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * don't need to see a nonfree photo to understand that he swung at the statue with a sledgehammer Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:18, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * keep - clearly iconic historic photo that is the only photo linked which demonstrates the primary purpose of the article, and text described therein. Mosedschurte (talk) 22:12, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per above.  Zoo Fari  00:45, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails WP:NFCC and WP:NFCC. Stifle (talk) 17:07, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep iconic historic photo with no GFL equivalent. '''-- Esemono (talk) 02:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I would also add that there is also zero WP:NFCC problem here. There is no way a low quality single frame used in a fair use context on an article specifically on that event would replace the commercial value of he actual video.  If NFCC#2 were somehow deemed problematic for that still shot, no photo would ever pass NFCC#2 muster.Mosedschurte (talk) 08:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - doesn't significantly add to the reader's understanding of the article. PhilKnight (talk) 08:16, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Adds significantly to understanding the role of this individual in history. I personally remember watching this on TV and this prominent individual is known for the actions depicted in this image. This is not replacing any market role of Sky News and it is certainly significant I mean notable.  — BQZip01 —  talk 14:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * the definition of unfair use: recent news photo used to depict same news event. fails WP:NFCC2 . also so poor quality it's not helpful. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete  Zoo Fari  17:11, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * i don't believe the uploader created this image. most of his/her uploads are blatant copyvios. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:24, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep see my point below.  Zoo Fari  17:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, per ZooFari. ;) Seriously, if Diptiprakashpalai says "I created this work entirely by myself", that means it's a copyvio... and this image has watermarks and isn't even used. – Quadell (talk) 00:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:02, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * i don't believe the uploader took this photo. most of his/her uploads are blatant copyright violations. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 *  Keep Delete It is used in several articles. Perhaps it should be listed at Possibly unfree files instead of deleting it. I didn't see the AP. Sorry, deletion is best for this image...  Zoo Fari  17:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, it says AP in the lower right hand corner. That's Associated Press, who require payment to use their images. No way we can use this. – Quadell (talk) 19:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete – as an AP image, it needs to come down. — Lincolnite (talk) 22:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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Bilawal.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  16:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphan, no context to determine encyclopedic value – Quadell (talk) 19:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete  Zoo Fari  00:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I think this is the current leader of the Pakistan People's Party, son of the martyred Benazir Bhutto &mdash; Bilawal Zardari – 70.29.213.241 (talk) 03:35, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
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WindCost.JPG
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The result of the discussion was: Wrong forum. The file is on Commons, please nominate it for deletion there if you still feel it should be deleted. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * Replaced by file WindCost1.JPG 128.100.37.82 (talk) 22:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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Sardis Lake, MS.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * It has been established that the subject of this photo is not Sardis Lake in Mississippi but we have no idea what lake it is. As such, it is a useless photo destined to be permanently orphaned. Lincolnite (talk) 22:16, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete that summary box with "copyright" in it puzzles me and makes me wonder why the user would free it.  Zoo Fari  00:43, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
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