Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 February 10



Gusaling Katipunan.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, unidentified, target article unclear Skier Dude  ( talk ) 06:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Uploaded by a sock of User:Richard Relucio.  AK Radecki Speaketh  01:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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V180wplate.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned, no encyclopedic value.  Ja Ga  talk 07:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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V180noplate.JPG

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 * Orphaned, no encyclopedic value.  Ja Ga  talk 07:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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Brad Wyman.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned, no encyclopedic value.  Ja Ga  talk 07:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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Cherryland1.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned, low quality.  Ja Ga  talk 07:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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Angel row show .jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned, questionable copyright status.  Ja Ga  talk 07:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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French laundry l'addition.png

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 * Interesting, but orphaned and of little encyclopedic value.  Ja Ga  talk 07:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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How to love. .JPG

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 * Either an orphaned screenshot or a non-notable pic.  Ja Ga  talk 07:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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TwoandaHalfWits.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * fails WP:NFCC criterion 8 as it does not significantly contribute to the understanding of the article topic and its omission would be in no way detrimental to that understanding. Otto4711 (talk) 10:55, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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Actors Studio Cover.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Fails non-free content policy #8 and guidelines (see NFC #8) Andrew c [talk] 17:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Book image that is not discussed anywhere in the article. It is simply used to illustrate a section where the book is discussed. I can't see that having this image adds anything to reader's understanding - image fails WP:NFCC Peripitus (Talk) 10:55, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep "Book image that is not discussed anywhere in the article. It is simply used to illustrate a section where the book is discussed." is a direct contradiction. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, image used for decoration only. Stifle (talk) 19:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Just because the book is discussed, does not mean the cover is. Knowing what a book cover looks like does not necessarily add to the readers' understanding of the book. J Milburn (talk) 21:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Image shows Strasberg teaching acting to students. The text material alongside includes lengthy acting class quotations by Strasberg and other well-known people who were his students.  Many of the sources used came from the book which is cited in many places throughout the article.  The combination of the photo of him teaching (which is of historical significance and rare,) and the book itself, add significantly to the understanding of the written material and it's ommission would probably lessen the reader's understanding of the material.--Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 02:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - This is decoration only. Garion96 (talk) 22:24, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
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WithBurstyn.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Fails WP:NFCC#8. The image is not needed to understand anything in the article. There is no sourced commentary on the image. Claiming this image has any visual impact is opinion or original research. -Nv8200p talk 00:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Image that is used to simply show a man with his student - this can be accomplished with text alone and the addition of the image does not add significantly to reader's understanding - fails WP:NFCC and WP:NFCC Peripitus (Talk) 10:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Their relationship is discussed in the article. The image shows their difference in age, while that can be discussed in the article, it is made more concrete when you see the visual impact. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as not essential to readers' understanding of the article. Stifle (talk) 19:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Being "essential" is not a requirement, as Stifle wrote. If it "increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding," it meets the criteria. As Burstyn is quoted at length in the "Death" section of this article as having been with him shortly before this death and during the aftermath, and this photo was taken with him a few months before his death, the image of them together would "increase a reader's" meaning of the written material and improves the article, at least a reader who was interested in the people shown. And it is obviously much more than just a "man with his student," as Peripitus wrote. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 02:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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AndJustice.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. The image is not needed to understand anything in the article. There is no sourced commentary on the image to support the "keep" opinions in the discussion. -Nv8200p talk 00:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Image that is used to simply show a man with Al Pacino- this can be accomplished with text alone and the addition of the image does not add significantly to reader's understanding - fails WP:NFCC and WP:NFCC Peripitus (Talk) 10:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It is Al Pacino and Lee Strasberg in Justice for All. Not "simply show[ing] a man with Al Pacino". It shows the student and teacher together on set. Maybe 1,000 words can capture their closeness, but the photo does it in a much more compact form. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * As a casual reader I see nothing but Strasberg posing with Pacino for a photo, with no textual context to make it mean anything special. The text tells me nothing special except they were close friends. For a reader what does this image add that is significant - I don't see this image radiating "closeness" to me. As it stands the text that is already there covers what the image conveys - Peripitus (Talk) 20:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom MorningYoga (talk) 02:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep As stated in the image info., this is a movie screen shot and their being together in this film is discussed in the legacy section alongside the image. It is a good image match for the text material and could not be matched with words alone.  --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 02:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This is an image of one of the world's leading actors in a movie scene with his real world teacher of acting. It only adds significantly to someone who intentionally wants to read the article. To anyone else, of course, it is meaningless.--Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 02:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails NFCC#1 and #8. Stifle (talk) 09:40, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Re: WP:NFCC, could find nothing remotely similar that is free. What free images are you referring to? --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 17:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * NFCC#1 also covers replacement with text that conveys the same message, or at least does not significantly deprive the reader of understanding. In this case the text that tells of their closeness is already in the article - Peripitus (Talk) 20:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * For this image, "closeness" was not the issue. The movie screenshot was included in the Legacy section alongside the text, "In 1974, at the suggestion of his former student Al Pacino, Strasberg acted in a key supporting role alongside Pacino in Godfather II and again in the 1979 film, And Justice for All." The screenshot supports the text and could not be replaced with words alone. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 22:36, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - Fails wp:nfcc #1 and #8. Garion96 (talk) 22:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
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Matm au2.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  14:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * alternate cover for an Australian Limited edition CD2 that is almost identical to the already existing non-free image in the article's lead. The only differences (colour changed to purple and the image mirror reversed) are easily described with (free) text. Image fails WP:NFCC Peripitus (Talk) 11:13, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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DivineMadnessVHS.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  14:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * video cover that is almost identical to the already existing non-free image in the article's lead. The only difference (text added to the bottom) is easily described with (free) text. Image fails WP:NFCC as replaceable with a free (text in this case) alternative Peripitus (Talk) 11:15, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  14:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Alternate cover that is almost identical to the already existing non-free image in the article's lead. The only differences (border and two bits of tape added) are easily described with (free) text. Image fails WP:NFCC as replaceable with a free (text in this case) alternative Peripitus (Talk) 11:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  14:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Alternate single cover that is almost identical to the already existing non-free image in the article's lead. The only differences (text added and the image made grainier) are easily described with (free) text. Image fails WP:NFCC as replaceable with a free (text in this case) alternative Peripitus (Talk) 11:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  14:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Alternate cover that is almost identical to the already existing non-free image directly above it. The only differences (basically the colour) are easily described with (free) text. Image fails WP:NFCC as replaceable with a free (text in this case) alternative Peripitus (Talk) 11:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  14:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Alternate cover that is almost identical to the already existing non-free image in the article's lead. The only differences (slipper in the centre changed to a rabbit slipper) are easily described with (free) text. Image fails WP:NFCC as replaceable with a free (text in this case) alternative Peripitus (Talk) 11:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  14:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Alternate cover that is almost identical to the already existing non-free image in the article's lead. The only differences (basically the background colour) are easily described with (free) text. Image fails WP:NFCC as replaceable with a free (text in this case) alternative Peripitus (Talk) 11:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  14:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Alternate cover that is almost identical to the already existing non-free image in the article's lead. The only differences (almost nothing visible in thumbnail) are easily described with (free) text. Image fails WP:NFCC as replaceable with a free (text in this case) alternative Peripitus (Talk) 11:20, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: - Keep - no longer orphaned - Peripitus (Talk) 01:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Unused, appears to be a personal photo Stifle (talk) 16:59, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep please. I uploaded this photo for my user page, then forgot all about it. I've put it back up there, so thank you for bringing this to my attention :). Cooltrainer Hugh (talk) 18:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Excessive use of non-free images, and fair use rationale is quite poor. Stifle (talk) 19:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * I believe this image fails WP:NFCC as the image does not add significantly to readers' understanding of the article and its omission would not be detrimental to that understanding. Stifle (talk) 19:33, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Image is merely a depiction of the artist and adds nothing to readers' understanding, thereby failing WP:NFCC. Stifle (talk) 19:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: delete. There is an excessive use of fair use images in Maman a tort per WP:NFCC3a, and this image also fails WP:NFCC#8. The English cover is different but there is nothing notable or controversial about it. The original French version is the identifying image for Maman a tort. Papa November and Aervanath gave no rationale as to why they decided to keep the other images so there is no kind of precedent established. -Nv8200p talk 00:57, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Image fails WP:NFCC as multiple non-free images when one would suffice, and fails WP:NFCC as not adding to readers' understanding of the article. Stifle (talk) 19:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sufficiently different cover, one would not suffice, so it therefore passes 3A. Also one cover could not possibly portray the release with the different cover. This whole issue was discussed with no consensus. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:41, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Per the run of decisions at WP:IfD/2009_January_10 starting here. The record sleeve (for the International release, in English, rather than the original French song, in French) shows a very different image, for a record which in fact has quite different content.  Jheald (talk) 20:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - 3a does not require that the image be the same, just that we use as few images as possible to still convey the same significant understanding. I ask those seeking to keep this, if the image (as the rationale states) is very important and adds significantly to the article. where is a single reliable source backing this up. Claiming that these multiple images add significantly to reader's understanding without a single line of sourced text or any commentary at all that tells the casual reader something about the image is unsustainable and, in other circumstances, would fall into original research. As a casual reader, when I visit this article, I see nothing except decoration. The image tells me absolutely nothing about the subject matter at all. This image to me clearly falls under both of the nominators objections - fails WP:NFCC and WP:NFCC. - Peripitus (Talk) 20:33, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The image shows the reader the identifying image for the record. Identifying images of records are, in and of themselves, regardless of any commentary, considered part of the relevant significant understanding about a record that an article about it should convey, and that is why WP:NFC explicitly okays cover art where there is critical commentary on the record, without requiring critical commentary on the cover art.  We went through all this, at length, at the IfDs for 10 January and elsewhere, and you just need to look in the record to see the results.  This is trying to re-warm up cold leftovers.  Jheald (talk) 20:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That explains why one cover is allowed, but does not explain why two or more would be. Stifle (talk) 22:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It establishes that identifying images of records are, in and of themselves, regardless of any commentary, considered to convey relevant significant understanding. When a record has had two different identifying images, in different territories, are you really saying that one conveys relevant significant understanding, and the other one doesn't?  Jheald (talk) 00:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I am a reader of such articles .... what understanding do I gain by seeing this additional image given that there is absolutely no commentary of any type about the image? Your argument does not tell me what I would be missing by not seeing the image in the article. - Peripitus (Talk) 02:58, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - There is no question that alternate images should be used in some circumstances, and this is certainly one of them. A reading of the rules that leads to virtual elimination of alternate covers on Wikipedia is overzealous and contrary to intentions. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 13:39, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You gain the understanding of what the (quite different) identifying image was for the English-language international version of this record. Without the image, you would not know that.  Jheald (talk) 08:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jheald's comments. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I notice a lack of explanations as to why this image is significant for user understanding and how it is not excessive use. The arguments presented above work equally well for articles having a number of images limited only by the number of releases (this article has three) and the keep arguments are basically - we can have as many images as there were releases with no discussion in the article required at all. The same arguments have been tried and failed for books, characters in TV series, characters in games etc. Arguing that the simple release of another cover version creates, in itself, sufficient justification for as many images as there are releases or covers is not enough. Jheald's argument is largely that all I gain from this is an understanding of what the release looked like - . How is this significant for me to understand an article on the album. The absurd conclusion of this type of argument is that I may upload 50+ covers for the Guinness book of records (one cover per year) and the simple existence of such releases is justification for their inclusion. While many of the images I nominated on the 10th were kept this does not consensus make, Jan 11, Jan 9, Jan 17 and the discussion at WT:NFC give a different view of what the image needs to meet the NFC requirements - Peripitus (Talk) 00:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The Jan 10 discussions are most relevant because those are the ones that attracted more participants and more discussion than all the other days combined. But note that even on Jan 11, ruled in favour of the U.S. cover for "2 become 1" simply because it had entirely different artwork to the UK version.
 * As to the claim that we're going to end up with 50+ covers for a single article, that is a spurious and exaggerated, and a crock. Unlike books, records tend to be associated with very particular cover art, and to keep it.  As Peripitus knows full well, most albums don't even have one alterate cover; and it is very rare for them to have two. Jheald (talk) 09:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: delete. There is an excessive use of fair use images in Maman a tort per WP:NFCC3a, and this image also fails WP:NFCC#8. The original French version is the identifying image for Maman a tort, an alternate cover image is not needed unless there is some commentary to support the need. Papa November and Aervanath gave no rationale as to why they decided to keep the other images so there is no kind of precedent established. -Nv8200p talk 01:01, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Image fails WP:NFCC as multiple non-free images when one would suffice, and fails WP:NFCC as not adding to readers' understanding of the article. Stifle (talk) 19:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sufficiently different cover, one would not suffice, so it therefore passes 3A. Also one cover could not possibly portray the release with the different cover. This whole issue was discussed with no consensus. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:41, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Per the run of decisions at WP:IfD/2009_January_10 starting here, sufficiently different covers are considered notable, and to add to reader understanding. Jheald (talk) 20:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Sorry to but and paste the argument but the image page text for this one are the same. I again ask those seeking to keep this, if the image (as the rationale states) is very important and adds significantly to the article. where is a single reliable source backing this up ?. Claiming that these multiple images add significantly to reader's understanding without a single line of sourced text or any commentary at all that tells the casual reader something about the image is unsustainable and, in other circumstances, would fall into original research. As a casual reader, when I visit this article, I see nothing except decoration. The image tells me absolutely nothing about the subject matter at all. This image to me clearly falls under both of the nominators objections - fails WP:NFCC and WP:NFCC. - Peripitus (Talk) 20:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * See the comment one discussion above. Jheald (talk) 20:59, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: delete. No community consensus that different covers are in themselves considered significant for understanding about the subject of a record. Papa November and Aervanath gave no rationale as to why they decided to keep the other images so there is no kind of precedent established. -Nv8200p talk 01:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Image fails WP:NFCC as multiple non-free images when one would suffice, and fails WP:NFCC as not adding to readers' understanding of the article. Stifle (talk) 19:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Per the run of decisions at WP:IfD/2009_January_10 starting here, and the arguments presented in those discussions, sufficiently different covers are considered notable, and to add to reader understanding. This sleeve is quite different to the other (see article Mala (song)).  Jheald (talk) 20:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - We are arguing about this image - there is no blanket exemption provided for any class of images. With no sourced commentary at all, as a reader, this image tells me nothing that adds any significant information to my understanding. NFCC#8 is aimed at readers - not writers - can anyone tell me what I gained from seeing this image in the article as I gained little or nothing. With sourced commentary, about the image itself, it may be meaningful - it's just decorative currently. Fails NFCC#3a, 8. Also fails WP:NFCC as the rationale is just a cookie cutter one that has no relevance for this image. It is NOT as stated in the rationale the primary visual image associated with the work. - Peripitus (Talk) 20:49, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * See the comment two discussions above. Sufficiently different covers are in themselves considered significant understanding about the subject of a record, that an article should convey.  Jheald (talk) 21:02, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If you feel that multiple different covers should be permitted, please feel free to gather a consensus to support that. Stifle (talk) 22:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Fails WP:NFCC#8. There is no sourced critical commentary that supports the use of the image. There is no discussion of her hair, her lighting, the styling of her clothes, the setting, the combined effect of all those factors together that would make the image significant to the article. Our purpose is to help people without blatantly ripping off other people's creative work when it is unnecessary. -Nv8200p talk 01:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Screenshot is merely an image of the artist and adds nothing to readers' understanding of the article, failing WP:NFCC. Stifle (talk) 19:38, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete While it does show here in the video, any image shows something and this adds nothing to the article for me that could not be covered by the words "In the video Carey wore a white sleeveless shirt". No sourced commentary on the image as it appears and it appears simply decorative as a result. Fails WP:NFCC, and 8 - Peripitus (Talk) 20:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. There are lots of ways Carey could have been styled for the video - her hair, her lighting, the styling of her clothes, the setting, the combined effect of all those factors together.  The image communicates that directly, communicating far more than just "Carey wore a white sleeveless shirt".  It's worth noting that WP:NFC, in the section "images: acceptable use" does not require commentary on the image (unlike, explicitly, #8 "Images with iconic status or historical importance: As subjects of commentary." (emphasis added)).  Rather, the requirement for a screenshot is that the image adds understanding to a film about which there is commentary - which, in the case of this video, there is, and the screenshot adds to it.
 * And it's worth thinking about why the line is drawn there. WP:NFC is written the way it is in order to protect our commercial re-users.  The underlying question is, would our commercial re-users be able to re-use this article with confidence, knowing that the images were okay under U.S. Fair Use law?  That is why "images: acceptable use" sets different bars for different classes of use to clear.  In this case, the answer is clearly yes, this would be considered legitimate fair use, even for a commercial re-user of our page.  And that being the case, we should stick to our real underlying purpose.  Our purpose is the communication of information.  This is information we can communicate, and we should communicate it. Jheald (talk) 21:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No, our underlying purpose is to be a free encyclopedia, and that means not using non-free material when we can avoid it. And the image is hardly iconic; this is iconic. Stifle (talk) 22:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * But consider why we aim to be a free encyclopedia. WP is WP:NOT an experiment in ideology.  (Oh and by the way, we're not claiming Mariah as a news image of historical importance.  Read the policy.  She's not required to be iconic.)
 * Our purpose here is practical, to help people. On the one hand any content we own or we can replace, we make sure we give to people free because that best frees and empowers them.  We can't do that for non-free content.  But so long it doesn't materially affect people's ability to redistribute WP, we do still try to provide appropriate, relevant, non-free content -- because people are more empowered by seeing that content, even on copyright fair-use terms, than not seeing it at all.
 * The key question, which entirely shapes the lines drawn by WP:NFC, is that that content must be legal to include, both for us and for commercial republishers, so that the ability to redistribute WP is not affected. This image passes that test.  It doesn't benefit anybody not to include it.  It also passes our criteria, (which is basically why it is legally legitimate), because informing people or reminding people about the video does improve the understanding of the topic that they come away with. Jheald (talk) 23:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - Fails criteria 1 and 8 of wp:nfcc. Garion96 (talk) 09:27, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned, no encyclopedic value.  Ja Ga  talk 20:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned, no encyclopedic value, copyright in pic.  Ja Ga  talk 20:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned, copyright in pic.  Ja Ga  talk 20:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned, no encyclopedic value. Found at Orphaned images in Category:Self-published work.  Ja Ga  talk  20:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by An image with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned, low quality.  Ja Ga  talk 20:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned, either non-notable artwork of Ho Chi Minh (figured that out from the category), or a copyvio'd image.  Ja Ga  talk 20:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned non-notable or copyvio artwork  Ja Ga  talk 20:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned, no encyclopedic value.  Ja Ga  talk 20:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned, replaced by File:US 94th Infantry Division.png.  Ja Ga  talk 22:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned, intended for Battle of Yarmouk which now has better illustrations.  Ja Ga  talk 22:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:11, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned, doesn't seem like uploader is copyright holder (name is different from name in watermark) Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Orphaned, undescribed, never inserted into any articles, user's only other upload was a copyvio Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:20, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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