Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 March 18



South.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:South.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by OregonD00d ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * I've removed the image from Southern United States so now orphaned, but unsourced and looks just like the author's opinion as to what constitutes "the South." Ricky81682 (talk) 05:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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StateOfTheUnion_S1.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  14:14, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * Decorative use, this is not an article about the dvd. Fails wp:nfcc. Garion96 (talk) 06:55, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's an article about the series, which is on DVD. The image indicates the cover which fits the heading.  Go on any other Wikipedia television series entry, and you will find the cover images to the said series' DVDs.  I'm not exactly understanding why this is up for deletion.  If you want a scaled down version, fine. Maddyfan (talk) 03:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No, you actually won't. And if there, they should be removed as well. Garion96 (talk) 09:05, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
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S.Venkateswaran.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * Unused free image, poorly documented  MBisanz  talk 07:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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Discrimination against the shia.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by An image with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 11:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * Uploader is not the university, therefore no permission to reproduce their letter is granted.  MBisanz  talk 09:08, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've speedied it per CSD:F8 as it's also on Commons. Stifle (talk) 09:26, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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Esperanto Wikipedia advert for Pasporta Servo.bmp

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  15:06, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Esperanto Wikipedia advert for Pasporta Servo.bmp ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Chuck SMITH ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * PNG version at Commons Papa November (talk) 13:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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Chris champion 23.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * OR, UE Skier Dude  ( talk ) 15:05, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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SRENWHITE.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * OR, UE Skier Dude  ( talk ) 15:40, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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2001_pedro_nunes_03.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:2001_pedro_nunes_03.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Premkudva ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * don't need to use a non-free stamp to depict someone who lived in the 1500s Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:33, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree. Image maybe removed with immediate effect. I have already removed it from the article.-- PremKudva    Talk   05:13, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
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Spykerstamp.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * don't need to include image in article to prove that car appeared on stamps. we have many free photos of these cars Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:36, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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Hkstampoffenvsmall.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * these stamps aren't used to illustrate anything in particular in the postage stamp article, just to be a generic example of stamps. they could be replaced by PD stamps such as German stamps Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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Evaristo_Carazo.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * don't need to use a nonfree stamp of someone who died in 1899, i'm sure there is a verifiably PD image out there somewhere Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:42, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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Upscaled geologicaltimescale.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Upscaled geologicaltimescale.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Vector Potential ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * orphaned, superseded by .png Skier Dude  ( talk ) 17:40, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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US UTM Zones.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, superseded by .png version Skier Dude  ( talk ) 17:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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Rockland County Route 64.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as G7 by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Rockland County Route 64.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Airtuna08 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * orphaned, superseded by .svg version Skier Dude  ( talk ) 17:49, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No objections. We have a better .svg image. --Airtuna08 (talk) 18:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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Precordial Leads.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by An image with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 11:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Precordial Leads.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by MoodyGroove ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * orphaned, superseded by .svg image Skier Dude  ( talk ) 17:49, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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Phosphine structure.gif
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as G7 by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Phosphine structure.gif ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Walkerma ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * orphaned, superseded by .svg version Skier Dude  ( talk ) 17:53, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK to delete this - but this was superseded by a really nice image File:Phosphine.png, I can't find any such svg file. Often in chemistry we prefer png to svg, so this is not unusual. Walkerma (talk) 02:39, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, superseded by .svg version Skier Dude  ( talk ) 18:00, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom - Fastily (talk) 05:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
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Nationalguard bureau seal n6425.gif
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, superseded by .svg version Skier Dude  ( talk ) 18:00, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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Mostel HUAC.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, target article/encyc use unclear Skier Dude  ( talk ) 18:07, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, superseded by .gif version Skier Dude  ( talk ) 18:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned, superseded by .gif version Skier Dude  ( talk ) 18:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:06102007579.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Chakravarthy24x7 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Images lacks context or description  MBisanz  talk 20:35, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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Asperger-Vienna-clinic.jpeg
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Fails WP:NFCC #8. There is nothing about this image that significantly increases the readers' understanding of either article the image is used in. The decision to keep or delete an image from Wikipedia is decided at this forum. If the image is kept, then the decision to use the image in an article or not can be decided on the article talk page.
 * File:Asperger-Vienna-clinic.jpeg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Eubulides ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Image added to autism immediately after the old one was deleted (see Files_for_deletion/2009_March_11). Of course, this one is completely different, as now, instead of a non-free image of Asperger, we have a non-free image of Asperger, with a child. The image illustrates nothing in particular, does not aid the reader in any tangible way and is here purely for decoration. J Milburn (talk) 20:49, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. This topic has been discussed thoroughly at Talk:Autism . At current count, four editors (myself, User:Dbrodbeck, User:Kenosis, and an anonymous third opinion) all agree that the image should be kept, and only User:J Milburn has disagreed. The consensus on the talk page should be respected. The image's use is amply justified, as it is a historical photo of one of the two pioneering giants of autism at work, doing the psychological testing that his research was based on back in the 1930s. No free image is known for this topic, nor can a free image be created. Eubulides (talk) 22:19, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No, the consensus of policy (which has been thoroughly ignored) and the consensus of the previous IfD (which clearly applies) should be respected. Very little reference has been made to policy- the anonymous user clearly does not actually understand the issue here, as no reference was made to the non-free-ness of the image. You have clearly shown that you are not happy with the current consensus of non-free image use with regards to this article, as you supported the retention of the previous image, which was a violation of policy. Thankfully, Wikipedia does not work by means of a head-count- if you actually want to retain this image, you're going to have to provide some clear reasons for why this image is needed- OK, it shows Asperger doing research, and OK, that can't be replaced, but why does that need to be illustrated? J Milburn (talk) 22:27, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No policy is being ignored here. There is no "previous IfD" for this image; the previous IfD was about a strikingly different image. Reasons for keeping this image are described on the image page; clearly you disagree with these reasons but the consensus in Talk:Autism was strongly to keep the image. Eubulides (talk) 22:38, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The non-free content criteria is a policy, and anyone even close to familiar with it can see that this is abuse. I find it a little bit too much of a coincidence that this image was added the same day the previous image was removed- it seems fairly clear to me that this image was not added on its own merits, but added because you were not happy with the previous image's removal, and so wanted to try and keep it without breaking any policy. You claim that there is a consensus on the talk page, but a small, localised discussion can hardly be used as justification to ignore policy. The discussion there does not address policy- it could even be interpretted as showing a deliberate disregard for it. J Milburn (talk) 22:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no abuse here; the image conforms to WP:NFCC. The image was added because an image was needed there after the earlier image was removed. Your comment's inferences about my motivations do not assume good faith and are incorrect: the image was put there on its own merits. Talk:Autism is not a "small, localised discussion": it is a long thread involving five editors (so far), and that thread is significantly longer than this one. Eubulides (talk) 23:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You're actually admitting that this image was added because the old one was removed- your assertion that "an image was needed there after the earlier image was removed" is clearly wrong, and shows no respect for the consensus at the earlier IfD. J Milburn (talk) 16:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a need for an image showing the history of autism; this assertion is not "clearly wrong", unless one takes an extreme interpretation that would result in no image being needed anywhere in Wikipedia. I don't much care which historical image is used, as long as we can use some decent image. Since all the available images are non-free, we'll have to use a non-free one; this clearly conform to Wikipedia policy, and claims to the otherwise are unfounded. The consensus on the talk page was to keep this image; the consensus on the earlier IfD was about another, quite different, and less-relevant, image. Eubulides (talk) 06:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Erm, why is an image needed to illustrate the history of Asperger's syndrome? Someone can understand a history of Asperger's syndrome without a picture- the fact that you simply want an illustration shows you are approaching the matter from the wrong way. If an image is required, it is required- it would be of a specific thing. As it happens, nothing specific needs to be illustrated, you are merely claiming that an illustration related to the section is required. There is a real difference, and if you can't see that, I really think you should avoid uploading non-free content in the future. Compare- Grant Wood is a fairly good example to use here. The image of the painting is necessary, as the painting is discussed at length, and it is specifically the painting that is being illustrated in a section relevant to it. That is completely acceptable- using that image improves the article massively, as what the picture looks like is extremely important. By comparison, we do not need "an image showing the history of" Wood himself- there's no need to stick a picture of him as a young man (any picture featuring him as a young man, or relating to his youth) in the "life and career" section. Basically- there is never "a need for any old picture", there is only "a need for X picture/a picture explicitly showing X", and said pictures would be needed because a knowledge of their appearance would be greatly beneficial (or even necessary) to understand the text. J Milburn (talk) 12:04, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The generic argument above is circular, and could just as easily apply to any fair-use image. There is absolutely no requirement that Grant Wood must contain File:Americangothic.jpg; the article could just as easily briefly describe the iconic image, with people who really cared about the image's detailed appearance going to the American Gothic article to see it. Furthermore, the fair-use rationale in File:Americangothic.jpg for Grant Wood is more stilted and formulaic than the fair-use rationale in File:Asperger-Vienna-clinic.jpeg. More importantly, the comment above that Wood's personal appearance is irrelevant to Grant Wood is simply bizarre. What Grant Wood most needs is an image of Wood himself, not of his most-famous painting, because the Grant Wood article is supposed to be about the person, not merely about the person's most-famous work. Grant Wood would be much stronger if it dumped American Gothic and instead used one of Wood's self-portraits. If there's some desire to illustrate the article with some of Wood's work, the article could easily use some of Wood's work that is now in the public domain. In short, the case for Grant Wood being fair use of its image is far, far weaker than Autism 's use of its image. Eubulides (talk) 05:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment. As of today the image is also used in History of Asperger syndrome, and for WP:FFD purposes this image should be judged in context there as well as in Autism . Eubulides (talk) 22:38, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * And it is equally unneeded there. There isn't even a valid fair use rationale... J Milburn (talk) 22:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That's incorrect. File:Asperger-Vienna-clinic.jpeg contains a valid fair-use rationale for the usage in History of Asperger syndrome. Eubulides (talk) 23:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No, a specific rationale is required for each article that the image appears in, detailing why it is necessary in that article, what it specifically shows and why it is irreplaceable for that use. Generic, general fair use rationales are not acceptable- rationales are not there so that the image isn't deleted, they are there to explain each use in detail, and provide an explanation of why our general policy of "free content only" should be bent in this case. Bots would be able to tell that there is no valid rationale, the history article is not even mentioned on the image page. This just further demonstrates your lack of understanding of, or lack of respect for, our non-free content guidelines, policies and practices. J Milburn (talk) 16:44, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Asperger-Vienna-clinic.jpeg  does contain a specific rationale for History of Asperger syndrome, and mentions History of Asperger syndrome by name. This is the 2nd time your comments have incorrectly summarized the contents of File:Asperger-Vienna-clinic.jpeg . Please try to summarize accurately, as inaccurate summaries are likely to mislead other commenters. Eubulides (talk) 06:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Including a link to the article in the "fair use in" template does not constitute a fair use rationale, and nor does the generic rubbish posted below. Specific explanations are required. J Milburn (talk) 12:04, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for acknowledging that your earlier claim "the history article is not even mentioned on the image page" is incorrect. The article page does contain specific explanations, not "general rubbish", even if they are explanations that you don't agree with. Eubulides (talk) 05:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep there is clear consensus on the talk page for autism that the image is useful. One editor does not like the image used.  No it is not a head count, but one editor thinking it violates policy and others that agree in their disagreement with that one editor sounds like a consensus to me. Dbrodbeck (talk) 00:37, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * So, no arguments that the image does meet policy, only an argument that nominating this image for deletion is somehow out of process? If you have an issue with my conduct, contact me on my talk page. J Milburn (talk) 16:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Consensus on Talk:Autism  is clearly to keep, and was arrived at after hearing out your comments on policy, as well as my comments. Eubulides (talk) 06:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per consensus at Files_for_deletion/2009_March_11, which attracted many editors and closed as failing WP:NFCC8. This image is functionally identical to the old one, almost to the point where it should be speedied as a recreation of deleted material. Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per earlier debate and at failing wp:nfcc. Garion96 (talk) 14:43, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This image is a shot of a psychological test being conducted on a child; the earlier debate was about a head shot of a psychologist. They are quite different images, and show different things. Eubulides (talk) 06:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

A possible copyright violation would be a stronger, more practical reason, to not include them, but that does not appear to be the reason for the nominations. Fenke (talk) 09:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Image fails WP:NFCC as much as the last one did. You have to ask yourself — would the reader be disadvantaged in his understanding of autism and the history of Asperger's Syndrome? If the answer is no, the image must be deleted. Stifle (talk) 16:44, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. A picture of Asperger - interacting with a child - does illustrate that autism affects real people more clearly then words could and it makes the content of the article more real then words, or even the MRI images, ever could. So, I'd say keep for the reason that it does enhance the article.
 * Sorry, but that's rubbish. You're saying a picture of a random person interacting with a child somehow explains that "autism affects real people" any better than a new, free photograph could? Stifle (talk) 18:54, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fenke's point is not at all rubbish. The section in question is Autism  and the photograph is one of the co-discoverers of autism doing a psychological test on a child circa 1940. No new, free photograph could show this event. Furthermore, the other use of this photograph is in History of Asperger syndrome, where no new, free photograph would be available either. Eubulides (talk) 05:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. I agree with Fenke that it humanizes the history and the people involved, including Asperger and those suffering from the disorder. Yes, historical pictures can perform this function better than a new, free photograph - particularly since the section is the historyof Autism. Also, for a moment compare the online wiki encyclopedia to the traditional print of encyclopedias and texts. Photographs are not simply to "pretty up" the page but serve the purpose or reinforcement through non-repetitive means and appealing in a different fashion, which I believe this photograph follows this traditional intent. As I have already stated, given the content of the section, this historical picture performs this function better than a new, free photograph could. blondtraillite (talk) 15:38, 03 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.0.73 (talk)
 * "Traditional intent" hardly applies, as this isn't exactly a traditional encyclopedia. What you have said has nothing to do with our policies, guidelines or goals. Sure, this illustrates Asperger talking to a child better than a modern, free image does- but does that need to be illustrated? Of course not. Could someone please close this discussion? J Milburn (talk) 23:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:06, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * Interior space, no evidence of permission from transit authority for taking picture or consent of people inside, not used in an article, so we really don't need it.  MBisanz  talk 20:53, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - You do not have to get 'permission from transit authority' to take a picture inside of a vehicle, unless it is prohibited directly. &mdash; neuro  (talk) (review) 20:55, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep unless a valid law can be found that states in that particular area that permission for photos is needed. Jenuk1985  |  Talk  20:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd happily see it deleted on the grounds of "it isn't used and it's not a very useful image anyway", but the rest are, I'm afraid, somewhat spurious. Note that it not being illegal doesn't make it useful, of course! Shimgray | talk | 21:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per CSD:I8 as a duplicate of the image is available on Commons. Stifle (talk) 16:45, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: keep. Slavish copying. No creative elements added. -Nv8200p talk 01:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * Not 2D (it's a fresco on a curved wall), so PD-art doesn't apply, website expressly reserves rights (outside of educational and personal purposes). Niels? ennl 21:00, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No need to delete: The websites claim of copyright is spurious. The author is very long dead and this work is very much public domain. The curve of the wall in neither here nor there or relevant. Giano (talk) 21:31, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It does include the pietra serena framing. If deleting this image improves Wikipedia in any way at all, then I'm for deleting, though I uploaded it. I've given up uploading images.--Wetman (talk) 17:28, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Could someone do a crop? Johnbod (talk) 18:05, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per the discussion on Template talk:PD-art, it is "[doing] nothing more than accurately convey the underlying image." ViperSnake151 19:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep per Giano. Copyright does not subsist in this photo, which is in the nature of a slavish reproduction of the original image. Stifle (talk) 16:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * Hardly self-made. Damiens .rf 21:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - It could have been a self made set of photos. The image also does serve to illustrate the figure, Armando Gutierrez, in an informative manner.  But if you do find evidence that the copyright of the images does not belong to the uploader, then this could be deleted per CSD F9. - Fastily (talk) 05:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
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