Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 March 24



M-84ab.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:M-84ab.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Srđan Popović ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * By looking at this picture, obviously shot in the desert of Kuwait and than looking at the upload record of the uploader, I simply don't believe he is the copyright holder of it, until further evidence is given. Unfortunately he's absent since Aug '07, so I directly nominate this for deletion without trying to contact him first. DavidDCM (talk) 11:05, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Spacifically without contacting the uploader? Why? Certainly the uploader's story should be considered. You may be right, but you may not be. Proxy User (talk) 16:36, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
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M84 vrs.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:M84 vrs.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Srđan Popović ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Same as above: Doubts that (absent) uploader is the copyright holder. --DavidDCM (talk) 11:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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Kub 035.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Kub 035.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Srđan Popović ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned, questionable copyright status (“Source” is a link to a Serbian language internet forum). --DavidDCM (talk) 11:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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T-55H srb.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:T-55H srb.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Srđan Popović ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned. --DavidDCM (talk) 11:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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Praga SPAAA.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Praga SPAAA.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Srđan Popović ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned. --DavidDCM (talk) 11:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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Zvezde.gif

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Zvezde.gif ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Srđan Popović ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Orphaned. --DavidDCM (talk) 11:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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Tennant_and_Tchaikowsky_as_Hamlet_and_Yorick.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Deleted. This is a BBC news image, and our use fails NFCC#2. – Quadell (talk) 20:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Tennant_and_Tchaikowsky_as_Hamlet_and_Yorick.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Josiah_Rowe ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Non-free news agency photo that is used sans commentary in two articles. Not necessary for reader comprehension.  howcheng  {chat} 16:37, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's not at all "sans commentary".  There are several paragraphs on the use of Tchaikowsky's skull in RSC productions in each article, which speak specifically to the use of this human skull as opposed to a replica prop.  As such, an image of the skull being used in a production of Hamlet adds to the reader's comprehension of the text.  No free equivalent image can exist, since photographs of a theatrical production are restricted by the show's producers, and the production in question has closed.  The commentary explaining the historical significance of that particular skull is transformative, changing what might appear as a photograph of an actor with a prop into a photograph of an actor with a human skull donated for use in productions of this particular play. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:49, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I do not believe this qualifies as fair use in the Yorick article, as other images there illustrate the use of a skull in productions of Hamlet. In the Andrzej Czajkowski article, it may barely qualify. Weak keep. Jonathunder (talk) 17:16, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. There is quite a bit of commentary in the Yorick article and there are no other images that "illustrate the use of a skull in productions of Hamlet", contrary to what Jonathunder asserts. The other illustrations are all paintings, none of which depict a production and only one of which is actually a scene based on the play. Paul B (talk) 17:29, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, while it might theoretically be possible to have a free image of the use of a skull in a production of Hamlet (although I know of no other cases in which an actual human skull has been used, at least in the modern era), it is not possible to have a free image of the use of this noteworthy skull, which was noted in several reliable sources. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 17:43, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * But the point is we don't need to see the use of this particular skull. You can't tell from the skull that it comes from a specific human being. Heck, with modern props you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between a real and an artificial skull.
 * @B: File:Bernhardt Hamlet2.jpg, a Featured Picture, shows the use of a skull, and could be easily used for that purpose.  howcheng  {chat} 20:54, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * To me, that suggests that all skulls are interchangeable, which runs rather contrary to both Tchaikowsky's wishes and Hamlet's speech: "That skull had a tongue in it, and could sing once." There's an undefinable frisson which comes from the knowledge that you're looking at a particular human skull, as opposed to a fake prop.  The article discusses the effect which using Tchaikowsky's skull had on the actors and the audiences when it was used.  Now, not every reader will be so affected by merely seeing the photograph; but I think that some will, and that using this photograph illuminates the text in a unique fashion.  That's not to say that there isn't also a place for the Bernhardt picture at Yorick, but it doesn't replace the Tennant/Tchaikowsky image, because the Tennant/Tchaikowsky image illustrates the three paragraphs of text commenting on the use of this particular human skull. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:31, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * For the sake of argument, let's assume that you're correct (I dispute this, but whatever). Even if this were the case, you still have a news agency photo that belongs to the BBC, and we've specifically forbidden those at WP:NFC images #6 -- the event is the subject of commentary, NOT the photo itself. Subtle difference, but important nonetheless.  howcheng  {chat} 16:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's sourced to the BBC, but it belongs to the RSC. See picture #15 here.  This image was part of a press pack sent out by the RSC to media sources.  It was also used by the Guardian, the Telegraph, Time Out and other sources.  The Telegraph credits the photo to the AP, but the Guardian credits it to Ellie Kurtz and Time Out says "© Ellie Kurtz/RSC".  A little research finds another reference to Ellie Kurtz as a photographer working with the RSC here.  If the image originated in an RSC press package, but was subsequently distributed by the AP, that doesn't make it a photo from a press agency.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood that images from promotional media are acceptable when no free equivalent is possible, per press kit rationale. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:04, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails WP:NFCC as likely to compete with the original market role of the image, and fails WP:NFCC as not essential to readers' understanding of the subject. Stifle (talk) 10:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It was originally a promotional photograph for a now-closed theatrical production. What market value does it have now, with which its educational use illustrating two encylcopedia articles would compete?  And don't you think that there is a difference in emotional understanding between reading about a human skull used in theatrical production and seeing that skull in that context? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 14:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
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Stonecircle.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn after templates updated. Skier Dude ( talk ) 15:30, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Stonecircle.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Wiglaf ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Self-made, but no valid license, text says "For Wikipedia use." ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  16:57, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, the contributor wrote that it was for wikipedia use. It is very surprising that you decide to nominate it for deletion instead of finding a more appropriate tag.--Berig (talk) 17:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A Wikipedia-only license is unacceptable and we cannot presume to know the intent of the uploader.  howcheng  {chat} 20:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you mean when you say "we cannot presume to know the intent of the uploader", and why is a WP only-licence "unacceptable"?--Berig (talk) 21:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Per Image use policy, user-created images for Wikipedia must be released under a free license, which allows anyone to use them for any purpose, including commercial and derivative works. Thus, unless you are blessed with telepathy, there's no way for us to know if the uploader will agree to that without asking. Unfortunately, the user is retired and has no email address tied to the account, so we can't even do that. Thus, we have no choice but to delete.  howcheng  {chat} 22:25, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't need to be blessed with telepathy, as the pictures are mine. I used to edit as Wiglaf before I changed accounts.--Berig (talk) 22:42, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, that changes things. I just looked through your RFA as Berig, so I believe that you are who you say you are. Perhaps a note to that effect on your user page? Then the last step is for you to choose an acceptable license, and we're done. Ditto for the other image.  howcheng  {chat} 22:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I would very much like to keep these images, but they cannot be kept with the current license. Please change the license to one that we can use here, such as GFDL, and remove the text that says "for Wikipedia use", as that implies it cannot be used for any other purpose, and we cannot host those images. Please make these changes and this discussion will be over; I will withdraw my nomination as there will be no more reason to delete them. Again, these are very nice images and I would like to keep them, but they need to conform to our policies. ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  05:54, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's done. I've added GFDL tags to them.--Berig (talk) 07:35, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. It is used in an article and it is obvious from the upload history and notes that it was self-made for Wikipedia. Jonathunder (talk) 17:09, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Clear Keep. Exceptionally good photo with clear provenance. "Welcome back" Wiglaf/Berig... Williamborg (Bill) 00:23, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, implied permission for Wikipedia only, GFDL-presumed. ViperSnake151 01:48, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn - The uploader changed the tags. Also, I hope you took no offense, I would have simply asked you if I knew you were active, or the same person. Thanks! ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  07:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem :).--Berig (talk) 07:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
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Stone ship.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn 15:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Stone ship.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Wiglaf ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Same as above, "For Wikipedia use." ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  17:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. The contributor wrote that it was for wikipedia use. It is very surprising that you decide to nominate it for deletion instead of finding a more appropriate tag.--Berig (talk) 17:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. It is used in articles and it is obvious from the upload history and notes that it was self-made for Wikipedia. Jonathunder (talk) 17:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per my reasoning for the other image.  howcheng  {chat} 22:25, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Clear Keep. Exceptionally good photo with clear provenance. "Welcome back" Wiglaf/Berig... Williamborg (Bill) 00:23, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Withdrawn - see above. ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  07:47, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
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Choclab.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  22:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Choclab.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Erikeltic ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * This is an orphaned file that nobody is using. I uploaded it myself a few years back. Erikeltic (talk) 18:04, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and move to commons - this (and the other one in history) is actually a good photo of the dog. I have tagged it with the move to commons flag. --Jordan 1972 (talk) 21:42, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The image has been moved to Commons.--Rockfang (talk) 20:05, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
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Labweim.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as G7 by AnomieBOT ⚡  17:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Labweim.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Erikeltic ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * I uploaded this a few years ago and it has since been orphaned. Since nobody is using it, I figured it was time for the file to go. Erikeltic (talk) 18:09, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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CopMike.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:CopMike.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Nedwans ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * orphaned image, absent uploader, image tagged as GFDL but claims to be a picture from a film. Jordan 1972 (talk) 18:32, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:DrawnDumbMan.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Nedwans ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * orphaned image, absent uploader, questionable usage and likely used on one of the deleted articles detailed on uploader's talk page Jordan 1972 (talk) 18:34, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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ROADOFREDEMTIONTITLE.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:ROADOFREDEMTIONTITLE.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Nedwans ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * orphaned image, absent uploader, questionable usage and likely used on one of the deleted articles detailed on uploader's talk page Jordan 1972 (talk) 18:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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Dundalk_Puck_Off.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Dundalk_Puck_Off.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Belacqua_Shuah ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * orphaned image, licensed as GFDL-self, but text added states "Fair use, club promotion" Jordan 1972 (talk) 18:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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Forthenrymall.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Forthenrymall.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Etittle1978 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * orphaned image, absent uploader, replaced on the article with File:Forthenrymall2007 004.jpg; while the replacement is really no better, the mall has changed name so neither is likely the best choice for the article. Jordan 1972 (talk) 21:47, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:KhalidMahmood.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Rathfelder ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * orphaned image, was removed from use here claiming to be the wrong person. Jordan 1972 (talk) 21:51, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Karmichael_Hunt.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Florrie ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * orphaned image, slightly fuzzy, replaced on the article by File:Karmichael Hunt 2.jpg Jordan 1972 (talk) 21:59, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Intrinsic coordinates.svg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by User talk: ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * Low quality, svg not rendered properly. will upload better version in png to replace the corresponding file on wikimedia commons Pigetrational (talk) 22:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Geoff_Gilpin_in_2007.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Mountaineer_historian ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * orphaned image, absent uploader, was likely used on the AFD'ed article on the subject Jordan 1972 (talk) 22:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Young_rik.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Serreel ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * orphaned image, absent uploader, was added to the Rik Mayall article but regularly removed. Uploader claims to have painted the photo based on a photograph from a book -- I am not sure how that might effect the copyright. Jordan 1972 (talk) 22:07, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Dannybonaduce.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Italiaguitar16 ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * orphaned image, sole contribution of user, fuzzy and clearer images exist; not a great candidate for moving to Commons. Jordan 1972 (talk) 22:09, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Mikeywayhalloween.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]) - uploaded by Xtinexoxo ( [ notify] | contribs).


 * orphaned image, sole contribution of user, likely used on a deleted article on the subject or the band. The current license on the image was added much later by another user. Jordan 1972 (talk) 22:13, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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AlexPennieWarped.JPG
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned image, absent uploader, replaced by File:PennieAutomatic.jpg which actually shows the person's face. Jordan 1972 (talk) 22:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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Ant_Phillips_small.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned image, absent uploader, poorer quality, replaced on article by File:Anthony Phillips.jpg Jordan 1972 (talk) 22:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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Karin_Muller_2006-09_NG_Amazon_140_x_140.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * orphaned image, absent uploader, is cropped from File:Karin Muller 2006-09 NG Amazon.jpg Jordan 1972 (talk) 22:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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HousePilot.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * The image's rationale of facilitating critical commentary is invalid as there is no crommentary on the image in the article (Pilot (House)). —  pd_THOR  undefined | 22:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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Manson2009.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Deleted. We have a free photo of this person at a young age, and an image of how he looks currently is not needed to fully understand the article. – Quadell (talk) 20:18, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * Replaceable - free images exist for this subject. PhilKnight (talk) 22:37, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Nonsense. This image was released by the State of California of an incarcerated indevidual, and NO OTHER recent image of this indevidual exists. This image is the latest image of a notable individual Charles Manson (it is his latest mug shot, it does not resemble ANY OTHER image of this indevidual), and was released to the public by the State of California. This image is relevent to the article where it is displayed. Proxy User (talk) 17:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and Response - In fact, there is a difference between being released to the public, which implies public domain and free use, and the licensing criteria of the state of California. The licensing on the image says clearly "The state forbids any copying or use other than "fair use" under the Copyright Act. "Fair use" includes activities such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, research, and other related activities. For the purposes of Wikipedia, this is a non-free license and must have an accompanying "fair use" tag and criteria." There is also a difference in mugshots and routinely updated photos taken for identification purposes in an institution. Having said that, I don't believe the image, as currently used in the Charles Manson article, should be deleted. Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:36, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. Non-free images of people who are still alive simply aren't allowed. Stifle (talk) 16:57, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
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Grab.adrian.300pix.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * Unencyclopedic. Only used in very old archived discussion relating to CSS issues.  Issues have long since been resolved. Papa November (talk) 23:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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Grab.heph.300pix.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * Unencyclopedic. Only used in very old archived discussion relating to CSS issues.  Issues have long since been resolved. Papa November (talk) 23:30, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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Great northern diver.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * Higher res version on Commons Papa November (talk) 23:43, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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Wikipedia Logo Big.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * Obsolete proposal for new logo. Papa November (talk) 23:47, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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Haf1x.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * Not a simple reproduction of 2D artwork so PD-Art doesn't apply. The image is a low quality B&W photo, also showing part of room around image.  No source specified for photograph. Papa November (talk) 23:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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