Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2011 October 3



File:CBME11.gif

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. - F ASTILY  (TALK) 03:26, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * File:CBME11.gif ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Zkaradag ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Unencyclopedic; I fail to see how this is a useful illustration of the topic. We would have Venn diagrams of music and history to illustrate music history, or of Americans and Jews to illustrate American Jews. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 00:17, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep If the editors at Computer-based mathematics education think the article would be improved without this diagram, I am sure they would be able to deal with the matter without the assistance of FFD. The article is actively edited, the diagram has been there for years, and it seems to not have been controversial or problematic. Math-Bridge is being merged in at present so this might, but more likely would not, affect the situation. I presume these editors regard the diagram as encyclopedic and I do too. The fact that similar diagrams might exist, when they actually do not, is not a deletion criterion.Thincat (talk) 17:09, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way, the fact that Math-Bridge is being merged in is what caused me to look at this article, as I closed the AfD, but that's all irrelevant. I just want to know: how does it aid the reader's understanding of the topic? We have a bar set for non-free images (WP:NFCC), and a much lower bar for free images like this, but I just don't think it meets even this lower bar. As for the deal with my WP:OTHERSTUFF argument, these kinds of arguments are usually invalid because often people are comparing apples to oranges. But if two things are essentially equivalent, then it doesn't make sense for one thing to be kept while the other is deleted. At this point, could you tell me which of the following you believe? 1) This Venn diagram is useful, but most others are not. My question is then, how is this different? 2) This and similar Venn diagrams are useful. In this case my question is, how in particular are they useful? Normally Venn diagrams have text inside their circles, making them useful. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 22:00, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I would not nominate Music history for deletion on account of it lacking a Venn diagram. Thincat (talk) 11:30, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, thank you for your answer but I don't think I agree with any of it at all. Is any of it based on deletion policy (or even guidelines)? The readers' understanding bar for non-free images is so that we only impinge on copyright when sufficiently well justified. For free images there is no such consideration at all &mdash; it is not that the bar is lower: for deletion the "understanding" bar is not there at all. If you feel the diagram does not improve the readers' understanding much at Computer-based mathematics education, please edit the article accordingly. Discuss your edit if you think appropriate or if you are reverted. That is how Wikipedia works. At FFD you are in the wrong department for article improvement. I understand you think you are comparing apples with apples but that is simply your opinion. The two examples you give would have two circles and four regions but this one has three and eight. Is there any precedent, policy or guideline that a Venn diagram of Americans and Jews should be or would be deleted? Of your two proposed options, (2) applies because the eye is drawn to the interactions between the disciplines. I see you think that Venn diagrams with text inside their circles are normally useful (so, actually, we do have one point of agreement!) but in this case that the text is just outside the circles does not make it any less useful. Why not upload an amended diagram?  Thincat (talk) 11:30, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * First of all, I never said we should nominate music history for deletion. And yes, for free images there is such a consideration, as we routinely delete unencyclopedic free images. See Files for deletion/2011 June 1. TonyTheTiger could have easily inserted the images of his poker winnings into the poker article and claimed that people could just "edit the article accordingly" to incorporate the images under your reasoning. Your issue with two vs. three circles - I would have come up with a three-circle Venn diagram, but wasn't feeling creative at the time, but they're just "you get the idea" kind of examples in the first place. Since you believe in Venn diagrams that have only labels outside the circles which pretty much duplicate the title of the article, then how would you feel if every article about an interaction of two or three things had a Venn diagram that was blank except for the labels? Frankly, I would consider that to be quite silly, and that is why there is no precedent, policy, or guideline covering it: because nobody has seriously considered the prolific use of Venn diagrams, especially not blank ones. To me, the only place where a Venn diagram is much better than just plain text (or maybe a table) is when discussing set theory, because the shading shows what is and isn't included. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 21:47, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. I say "weak" because I agree that it's a rather low-quality and lightweight image. But that's not a sufficient reason to delete. As far as I can see, the file is properly licensed as a free file. As such, as long as anyone feels that there might be an encyclopedic use, this is a WP:COBWEB case, and we don't need to get rid of it. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:27, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Cutaway PFE mechanical.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:00, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * File:Cutaway PFE mechanical.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Lordkinbote ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Fails WP:NFCC. Certainly a free diagram can be created, since modern refrigerated cars do exist. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:03, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Can you make one? Do you know of anyone who can? And would doing so violate other copyright laws? BTW, I'd also like to see a decent replacement for that Maryland and Delaware Railroad locomotive you deleted recently. It doesn't have to be from the same yard it just has to be in decen condition like the one you deleted. DanTD (talk) 01:22, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Obviously someone can make a diagram like that, because someone made the original one. Thus it is absolutely possible to make a free one.  Otherwise, you are adding stipulations beyond what the policy states.  An image fails WP:NFCC if a free image exists or it is possible to create one.  It does not require that a free image be the same quality or physical condition as a non-free one.  It just states that it has to be possible.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:22, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The reason we have NFCC #1 is not just to show a preference of free content to non-free content. By prohibiting replaceable non-free content, we are forcing users to create free images themselves that they would not have created otherwise. To see how images of similar quality could reasonably be created, check out Featured pictures/Diagrams, drawings, and maps/Diagrams. Of course, common sense always applies, so nobody is expected to photograph a known recluse like J. D. Salinger. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 09:18, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Dieanotherdaymusicvideo.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:42, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
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Not a screenshot. Saulo Talk to Me  01:15, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 10:42, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned, superseded by File:LifeSentenceMapNew.svg Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:09, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:42, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic - does not seem to be useful, section removed from article Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:12, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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no source explicitly stated, web-resolution -> possible copyvio Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned, unidentified coat of arms with no stated source Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:21, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:21, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Kyle Okposo New York Islanders 2009.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as G7 by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:01, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * File:Kyle Okposo New York Islanders 2009.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by IMatthew ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned, Low quality Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:22, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete away!  iMatthew /  talk   20:00, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:27, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned, not described by uploader or ever added to an article as far as i can tell, unclear encyclopedic value Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:29, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:32, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Williams' Guide 1913 P1010007.JPG

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 * File:Williams' Guide 1913 P1010007.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Bashereyre ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

1913 means PD in the US, but copyright status in the UK is unclear (would depend if author was disclosed etc which we don't know). since its coopyright status in the uk is unclear, we can't move it to commons. and i can't see any point keeping it in en.wiki - can't imagine a way to use it constructively in an article Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:34, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned, unclear encyclopedic value Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:35, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:35, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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orphan, incorrect - shows nepal and bhutan as part of china Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:36, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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photo of copyrighted packaging; not speicifically necessary to illustrate Ipoh cuisine Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:38, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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photo of copyrighted ticket, cannot be kept as nonfree image because does not contribute significantly to readers' understanding (WP:NFCC8) Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:39, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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photo of copyrighted ticket, cannot be kept as nonfree image because does not contribute significantly to readers' understanding (WP:NFCC8) Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:40, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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photo incorporated copyrighted toy (yes, unfortunately toys/characters are copyrighted...), used only in userspace/bookspace Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:41, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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not really clear who the author of this photo is - is uploader saying that he personally took this photo? that seems somewhat doubtful Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:42, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 10:42, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:42, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned, superseded by File:Superpower map 1945.png Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:44, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned, no verification that uploader is the artist Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:45, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Gone in '62 promotional art.JPG
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Orphaned, either copyvio or Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:45, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:St John's Choir.jpg
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Orphaned, Low quality, we have better images Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:46, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Namestyle for MFantoni's user page.png
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:47, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Kate&MeHeadshot2ESPN.JPG
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Orphaned, we have a better version of this photo with the guy cropped out File:KateMichael.jpg Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:48, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:W&Jstatues.jpg
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orphaned photo of non-free statue (created 2007), no freedom of panorama in the us Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:53, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Jesse&Rolaids.jpg
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:53, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Freeimage3.jpg
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Low quality Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:54, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:C.1250's.PNG
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Orphaned, unclear copyright status - image watermarked w copyright sign Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:55, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Robert's Website.jpg
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:55, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Robert's Website 2.png
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File:Robert's Website.JPG
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:56, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Grand Teton National Park No, marmot we can't follow thee 625.jpg
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Orphaned, Low quality Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:58, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Hanginon's land.jpg
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Orphaned, Low quality Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:58, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:1070's.PNG
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Orphaned, no source for base map Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:00, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Protect&survive.jpg
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 * File:Protect&survive.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Kontour2 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:00, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Mario2005b&w.JPG
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 * File:Mario2005b&w.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Aprouse ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned, subject of photo unidentified Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Joe & Jim.jpg
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Diamondbacks 2006 & 2007.JPG
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 * File:Diamondbacks 2006 & 2007.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Sddao ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Culver's DT menu.jpg
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 * File:Culver's DT menu.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Lmeister ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

orphaned photograph of copyrighted sign Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:05, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Doug's work 001.jpg
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 * File:Doug's work 001.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Nu-nu_yo-yo ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned, unclear encyclopedic value, looks like it might be a work of art Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:05, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Relative Letter Frequency of the Sound and the Fury.png
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic (original research, irrelevant) Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:06, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic (original research, irrelevant) Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:06, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Relative Character Frequency of Old Man and the Sea.png
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic (original research, irrelevant) Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:06, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Relative Letter Frequency of the Old Man and the Sea.png
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 * File:Relative Letter Frequency of the Old Man and the Sea.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Mangledorf ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned, Unencyclopedic (original research, irrelevant) Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:06, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Dream Acres statue.JPG
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 * File:Dream Acres statue.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Mangledorf ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

photo of copyrighted statue, fails WP:NFCC8 Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:07, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:S&D at 1862.gif
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 * File:S&D at 1862.gif ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Afterbrunel ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned, no source (including source for base map) Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:08, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:TheRobinHoodHound.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as G7 by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * File:TheRobinHoodHound.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by FeydHuxtable ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Image no longer features on the webpage so is no longer representative, and therefore fails NFCC 8 ╟─TreasuryTag► Regional Counting Officer ─╢ 08:37, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Snow Delete - I asked the RHT campaign if they could release the image on a free license to save it from destruction, but they agred with TreasurtyTag that it is not a good pic to represent their campaign. No longer using this image so sadly it serves no purpose. FeydHuxtable (talk) 20:19, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  05:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic (article about player deleted as A7) Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:52, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Nate Conrad after performing his red paint piece.jpg
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File:Flag of Perak.JPG
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Orphaned, superseded by SVG Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned, Unencyclopedic (Deadlock (hard rock band)) Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:03, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  05:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  05:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned, photo of copyrighted toy Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:05, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Ronnie lane.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  05:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
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Violates WP:NFCC. It's being used in a biography and is not subject to sourced critical commentary. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  20:17, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Million Seller back cover.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  05:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
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No valid FUR for back cover, not discussed critically in article. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:28, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Wall-Street-1.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Enough decent arguments against deletion have been made that it's time to close this. Nominator should have done his homework instead of asking other people to find the source of a very widely reproduced image. I can't see the point in lengthening this discussion any further. Shii (tock) 06:40, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * File:Wall-Street-1.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Scoutstr295 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Image does not seem to be an "official" poster for the event, but rather just a user-created image that was posted online at a personal blog or similar site. A link to the image was found, but a source pointing to the site where the image was used has not been found, so it is not entirely clear if this image satisfies WP:NFC (assuming personal blogs or similar sites do not qualify as "publications"). The rationale's reasons for satisfying WP:NFC include "Illustration" (for its "Purpose of use") and "confirms to readers they have reached the correct article", which do not satisfy NFC. The rest of the rationale template has been filled out rather sarcastically and the editor who created it has refused to clean it up, citing Wikipedia's "byzantine fair use policies". – Dream out loud (talk) 20:57, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - non official picture - speedy as possible before its inclusion in our article creates/mirrors notability. Off2riorob (talk) 01:51, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep The aesthetic characteristics of the image are an excellent illustration of the sentiments associated with the protest, whose "leaderless" quality, for example, coincides with the lack of "officiality" of the image. Mashford (talk) 03:25, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep The poster is the front image of the de facto Occupy Wall St. organisation's facebook page which is linked to by occupywallst.org. Official blogs should reflect a "publication", particularly in an article whose subject concerns internet activism anyway. ProfNax (talk) 03:57, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find it anywhere on occupywallst.org, and the image posted to a Facebook group with a mere 85,000 "likes" (as opposed millions) doesn't make it by any means "official". I could create a non-free image myself and put it online, but it doesn't mean it belongs in the article. – Dream out loud  (talk) 07:28, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Per the reasons given by ProfNax. Ampersandestet (talk) 05:02, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Per the reasons given by ProfNax. Mike Coppolano (talk) 08:11, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete – assuming the poster is neither "official" nor the only poster calling for protests, it is very likely, that there is in fact a free replacement. --Church of emacs (Talk) 09:16, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Is this delete initiative emanating simply from user Dream out loud's agenda? It appears to be a legitimate poster... Stevenmitchell (talk) 09:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Please Assume good faith. I consider myself a supporter of these protests, but that has nothing to do with our WP:NFC rules. --Church of emacs (Talk) 16:27, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep This image is the only one really used as any form of "official" poster for the protests. As ProfNax says, the image is used on a Facebook group linked to by the organisers' website, and is certainly accepted as a legitimate poster used with the protests. Qwertyuiop1994 (talk) 10:28, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per the above keeps.  (this can even be snowed, given the above responses).--Epeefleche (talk) 15:06, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - But if there's a more appropriate one, then go ahead. -  Niri M / ನಿರಿ   16:03, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per the above keeps; great image, iconic and appropriate. PS: Facebook group sporting it as "official" image grew 6% just in the 10 hours since DreamOutLoud noted it. True that it's not millions... yet. Kevin/Last1in (talk) 17:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per the above keeps. Molarbear (talk) 18:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per the above keeps.The image should be considered a representation based off of the movement as it is used on the blog and other official Occupy sites. RockyMountainLocal (talk) 18:59, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep This image is a representation of the movement used by Occupy sites. However, I think there are some other offical options of posters that should be reviewed for possible considerations.Powerto19 (talk) 19:05, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per the above keeps. Acekid21 (talk) 19:28, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per the above keeps, its the most "professional" image we have that I've seen. - Debeo Morium: to be morally bound (Talk | Contribs) 21:17, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no agenda whatsoever - I just have yet to see this poster anywhere on the internet except for the Facebook group. Sure it looks professional, but that doesn't mean that it was professionally made.  I could make a poster that looked just as good if I really wanted.  But I don't think that a post to a Facebook group satisfies WP:NFC.  If everyone keeps seeing it on other websites, then post a link here already. – Dream out loud  (talk) 22:14, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If I could digress from the "officiality" argument for a second - since you don't accept it - may I point you to this link from FORBES magazine which is cited underneath the image in the info box to the right of the article. It says verbatim: "AdBusters placed their “Occupy Wall Street” ads on line on Wednesday. It features a ballerina balancing on the famous Wall Street bull." Does that satisfy your criteria without an explicit link to a blog? ProfNax (talk) 23:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - This is the first image that appeared at the beginning of the Occupy Wall Street movement. Its image is ubiquitous; and in the flux of the media, somewhat synonymous with the movement. But we as conscientious editors don't find that an acceptable reason for its inclusion here. We editors are not justifying it placement in the infobox, because that's what the media/advertisements put out. But think about this: how can we possibly justify its removal? If we replace it instead with an officially updated poster sanctioned by OWS, then we are acting like an advertisement mouthpiece for the movement. That's not Wikipedia's job to do that kind of advertising/updating.

In fact, we may have no other option but to keep this first poster, because it is the first one that inaugurated the event. That's why it's in the infobox: that's the justification. That can reasonably be defended over time. It would, in fact, be historically accurate to make that claim, and make it stick. It's part of the record. We keep it as part of historical documentation. In the long run, by keeping it, we demonstrate neutrality. That's the way we can easily argue for its historical accuracy, perspective, NPOV, credibility, etc. Why this image?, people will ask. It's there because it was the first image/poster most people saw. What other option is there? How can we put a picture of a crowd of demonstrators in the infobox? Which one do we choose? Now eventually there might be some kind of iconic image that comes out of the movement, just like the Tank Man, the unknown rebel who stared down the tank during Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, came out of that protest movement and gained iconic status. But that picture isn't even in the article. Why? I'm not sure. Probably because it is "biased"?! It implies that Wikipedia is defending the students and rebels against the Chinese government/military! Christian Roess (talk) 02:45, 5 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.29.59 (talk) 06:58, 5 October 2011 (UTC) Keep this picture is brilliant. It shows Wall Street the Bully and the Main street that can barely keep its balance because of Wall street. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.21.101 (talk) 16:42, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Apples and oranges. Unlike the poster under discussion, the Tank Man photograph has clear copyright status, was taken by an identified media photographer, and was never intended as a movement's originating poster. Original copyright of the Tank Man photograph has been further reinforced by later print reproductions. As such, fair use applies to the Tank Man photograph when used for the Tank Man article only. Bias has nothing to do with it. - Tenebris 07:03, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Appears to be the only photograph which has been used to represent this movement, and I believe it does so clearly and creatively, so there is no apparent reason to me to delete. Perhaps a more suitable image may be utilized at some point in time, but for now, this one is appropriate enough.  Kinaro (say hello) (what's been done) 06:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete or Replace - Images used for protests (see Arab Spring for a collage of recent protests) show the crowd of protesters occupying an area. No text. No Twitter hashtags. No unofficial culture-jamming poster created by AdBusters. I have been following the protest in broadcast and print media this past week, and the Wikipedia infobox is the first time I came across this image, so it does not appear to be as ubiquitous as Christian Roess claims. It is certainly a creative image, but that is not one of the criteria for inclusion in a Wikipedia article much less the infobox for an historical event. After all, there's no shortage of posters created for this event. I could see this image included further down in the article under a section dedicated to organization or spread of the protest, but the infobox should have a more neutral image that is representative of the size and location of the event. -Mabeenot (talk) 16:13, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Supreme Keep: How dare you try to delete this poster?. --Camilo Sanchez (talk) 19:15, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and/or Replace The facebook event page and this alone satisfy WP:NFC. Still, an iconic photo of the actual protests might be best at the top of the page. So keep this for now and if someone finds a great photo, then we can replace the poster and maybe move it down the page per Mabeenot's suggestion.
 * --Qwerty0 (talk) 20:13, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. It seems to me that this particular poster is analogous to a corporate logo (irony duly noted!), in that it is intended by its owner to be used to promote what it represents. Thus, I don't really think that there is a credible case that the owner does not want the image to be widely displayed. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:34, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. What else is better at the moment? An image of 700 demonstrators being arrested on the Brooklyn Bridge still doesn't capture the extraordinary balancing act of power this movement contains, and thrives because of.User: do_tha_consensus
 * Delete and Replace. There are hundreds if not thousands of better images of the protest that should be at the head of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.244.72.132 (talk) 04:27, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - The very purpose of the poster is promotion, and so the copyright holder would want it displayed in as many places as possible. The image is iconic, and therefore, ultimately the best representation of this protest group. - Burpelson AFB ✈ 13:02, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Keep for the many reasons stated above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.39.171 (talk) 00:19, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong keep for reasons already discussed above. --74.248.226.65 (talk) 05:09, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Aaaaand I wasn't logged in. The above comment is mine. --Roman à clef (talk) 05:10, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
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File:Green Boots.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Keep. - F ASTILY  (TALK) 03:28, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * File:Green Boots.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by User:Gobonobo ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The file does not appear to come from the link given - the linked website is the home page of someone who has not been to Everest. The rationale for describing the image as unreplaceable is not at all convincing. Thousands of people have passed this location, tens or hundreds in any given year. 190.161.134.66 (talk) 23:35, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep The rationale for the file's use on Tsewang Paljor has been updated and complies with WP:NFC. The original file did come from the listed site, but has since been removed. Gobonobo  T C 00:35, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm AGFing that the file did come from that website, but I'd suggest editing the file description page to indicate that the file came from an earlier version of the website than the one now linked to. I think that, as it is used, it passes NFCC, although the case for WP:NFCC is admittedly pretty tenuous. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:53, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Seeing the comment below, I'm starting to feel more concerned that WP:NFCC may actually be failed, regardless of how easy or difficult it would be to replace the image. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:07, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete the rationale for it not being replaceable was changed from the remoteness of the location to the fact that the subject is deceased. However, the body is, as far as I know, still there and still regularly seen by climbers.  I don't think it's reasonable to describe it as irreplaceable.  200.83.32.16 (talk) 12:10, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


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