Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2014 February 23



File:Chooks-to-Go Masarap Kahit Walang Sauce.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:01, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Chooks-to-Go Masarap Kahit Walang Sauce.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Isabel1208 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Fails WP:NFCC. Stefan2 (talk) 00:26, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
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File:Max and aaron&

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 * File:Max and aaron& ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Max29297 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Unused. No foreseeable use. Stefan2 (talk) 01:11, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
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File:Alex Machell.JPG

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 * File:Alex Machell.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Dragonfly888 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned userphoto. No foreseeable use. Stefan2 (talk) 01:30, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Per nom and the fact that the uploader possibly wants it deleted anyway. Smtchahal (talk) 13:53, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
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File:Ahmed Siddiqu, son of Aafia Siddiqui, in 2008.jpg

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 * File:Ahmed Siddiqu, son of Aafia Siddiqui, in 2008.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Geo Swan ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This image was listed as replaceable, but after discussion there is a reasonable contention that it is not, so I am moving the matter over here. Procedural nomination. Stifle (talk) 21:22, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Textbook violation of WP:NFCC. The person is still alive, so new photos of him can easily be created. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:35, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * He is still alive, but he is no longer a shell-shocked 12 year old. He is now 17 or 18.  If someone were able to take an image that would be considered "free" in wikipedia terms, and image of him at 17 or 18, after 5 and a half years of freedom, is not a replacement for an image of a 12 year old who had just emerged from 5 years in CIA custody.  As to whether new free photos of him can "easily be created" -- he has appeared at rallies, and google image search finds a dozen or two dozen other photos -- all non-free photos.
 * Now, if by "easily created" you really mean a new free image is possible, I will agree it is a very slim possibility. But if this free image doesn't show him as a shell-shocked 12 year old I suggest it is no more a meaningful replacement than your suggestion that File:Chongqing yangjiaping 2007.jpg could be a useful replacement for File:The John Irwin House, supported on temporary piles, 2014-01-26.png.  Geo Swan (talk) 01:09, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The article Ahmed Siddiqui (American youth) does not discuss what he looked like at any given age and does not discuss what he looks like at all, so an image taken at any age would serve the same purpose. In Aafia Siddiqui, there is neither any discussion of what the person looks like, nor any actual discussion about him (he is just mentioned), so in this article, the image doesn't only violate WP:NFCC, but also WP:NFCC. --Stefan2 (talk) 00:38, 25 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment there are a couple of dramatic images, leaked by Afghan police, from the day of their second capture. His mother is petite woman, and her tininess is very apparent as she tries to shelter her son.  I can't find those images any more.  I would prefer to use one of those images.  Geo Swan (talk) 01:28, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment -- I think some people may argue that an image that showed this boy looking shell-shocked is "inconsistent with human dignity". I suggest it was the CIA's role in kidnapping a US citizen and holding him in a secret prison is what is really demeaning.  His baby sister was eventually released, two years later.  The wikipedia is not a hagiography, and I suggest softening or obfuscating the CIA's role in kidnapping and detaining these children, is not our role.  Geo Swan (talk) 14:12, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment -- In responding to this discussion, I searched Commons for references to one of those other images I mentioned above, and found this discussion, which helped me find this photo from the day of their capture. According to the US account of her wounding, they arrived at the Police Station, entered the room where she was supposed to have been held in, didn't see her, relaxed and laid down their rifles -- only to have her burst from behind a curtain, and grab a carbine, and then was promptly felled by several life-threatening shots to her torso.  Since she is not wounded in this photo it predates the arrival of Americans.  We only allow one non-free image at a time.  I'd like others' opinions as to whether we should use this image instead of the one under discussion.  Geo Swan (talk) 14:41, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - I've read through this and the image's sole significant purpose appears to be to show readers that he was 12 when the image was taken. I'm fine with text alone covering this simple fact. I get the unfairness/brutality etc. of what has transpired without needing a photo of a boy in a hat and vest. If there is something compelling about his clothing or appearance I'm sure that it would be covered in sources, then perhaps an image would be needed. I can't see how this passes NFCC#1 as you can either replace with text alone (my preference) or get an image of him later in life if editors feel the need to illustrate the article. - Peripitus (Talk) 00:28, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
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