Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2014 September 18



File:Yo no creo en los hombres logo.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  16:12, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Yo no creo en los hombres logo.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by McVeigh ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Redundant to File:Official poster of Yo no creo en los hombres.jpg, see WP:NFCC. Stefan2 (talk) 15:29, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
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File:PGA CBS 2014.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  18:10, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
 * File:PGA CBS 2014.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by AMLNet49 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Violates WP:NFCC as it doesn't have a source. Also violates WP:NFCC as it can't be found outside of Wikipedia. The only thing that comes close to this image is this, which was uploaded by the same user on YouTube.  Corkythehornetfan  (Talk)  19:59, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I responded to your message on my talk page, you never answered. What do I need to add to properly licence these images for use as low resolution only logos, like the 2002 version that is already on the page? AMLNet49-Talk-Cont 20:22, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * A logo which can't be found outside Wikipedia also violates WP:NFCC. According to WP:NFCI §2, logos are permitted for identification. However, if the logo can't be found anywhere outside Wikipedia, people are obviously not using this logo for identification. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:27, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * But this is an uninformed assumption. See this link which is the CBS Sports 2013 rebrand reel. For the 2007 logo see this link for its use in broadcasts, which lasted through 2013.  Just because CBS doesn't put the logo on their press releases doesn't mean it isn't used. Both the 2007 logo and the 2014 logo are used extensively during CBS PGA Tour broadcasts. In addition to this, the logo that was on the page before has not been used in eight years, making it horribly out of date. I have been actively updating many of the out of date logos of these sports broadcasts as of late because it is uninformative if it is out of date but the new one is not used. AMLNet49-Talk-Cont 20:38, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * But the thing is, I watch Golf on CBS and I've never seen this logo. The only logo I have seen is this logo, which is in a CBS press release... and I have seen before. A person should be able to go to any search engine, search the logo they are looking for, and be able to find it. In this case, that person can't do that. (Examples: Duck Duck Go!, Yahoo!, Google and Bing) All of these search engines go show pretty much the same thing, and the logo I mentioned is pretty much the first image shown.  Corkythehornetfan  (Talk)  22:24, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The green CBS Sports logo is used in situations in which the PGA Tour is not the specific topic. For example, the press release you mentioned is about golf on CBS in general. However if you tune in to a regular tour stop (ie Farmers Insurance Open), CBS universally used the green PGA Tour on CBS logo from 2007 until 2013, and uses the grey version of that logo since. The demonstrated use in the demo real I linked to was actual footage for its usage during the 2014 Farmers. CBS just doesn't use it in press releases (accounting for the lack of an online presence), because they hold rights to other organization's tournaments, but they do use it on screen.  I got the logo from Reality Check, who designed the current look.  In my opinion, it is a very unusual circumstance in which CBS doesn't use the logo online but they do on TV, a situation I cannot recall applies anything else besides MLB on Fox which has never used their updated on screen logos in press releases.  In both this case and that case (which is the exact same situation), I think an exception should be made because here the organization used a different logo in pressers than the one they use on-screen, and in that case because Fox uses an outdated version of their logo.  It is also worth mentioning again that the logo on the PGA on CBS page before has not been used for eight years.  AMLNet49-Talk-Cont 00:24, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * But why is it that when you type in PGA Tour on CBS that it still shows up? Why wouldn't it come up with a completely different logo like the one you have uploaded? I just don't get it. Yes it is unusual, but I just don't see why they wouldn't have the on-air logo on the Internet. I don't see in any way why this should be kept if it can't be found on the Internet, besides a video. There should be at least two-three links where people can find the image in my opinion. So I would say you need to provide a link (URL) to the source, because "Reality Check" or "CBS Sports" just doesn't "cut-it", as it just goes to the main page where the image is most likely not at. Do you see where I'm coming from? It just seems odd that it can't be found anywhere besides the video...  Corkythehornetfan  (Talk)  01:06, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Also check this. Google takes the Wikipedia image and looks for websites containing the same image. The only page found is the file information page on Wikipedia. If you search for a television logo in this way, you would expect to find hundreds or thousands of pages containing the logo. --Stefan2 (talk) 15:19, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I did not mean to imply that that particular video was the only source. View any CBS broadcast of a regular tour event from this year on YouTube and see its use demonstrated on a weekly basis. I gave the video as the source because that is the design studio, but it can be seen on any CBS golf broadcast from 2014. This logo is an ID for the TV program not CBS's online presence, which is why this logo needs to be kept, because this is the current PGA Tour on CBS logo, so for the sake of accuracy it needs to be kept. On the AfD page, I explained the difference between the generic "CBS Sports" logo you mentioned being used frequently in press releases and the PGA Tour-specific logo. If it is necessary, I will link to the video on the image info page. But I cannot believe that it is an accurate article unless that specific logo is on the page, since it is the PGA Tour on CBS page, regardless of whether CBS uses it online or not (which accounts for the lack of online versions of it). Also the NFL on CBS logo that you updated was actually the old logo. It is the same situation with that logo. CBS does not use the on-air versions of its new logos online, only on-screen, but on screen they are used universally. The pages are to represent the television program, not the network's online promotion and press releases. AMLNet49-Talk-Cont 22:08, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't have access to foreign TV stations. If this logo is in use, then why doesn't it appear anywhere else on the Internet? Modern logos typically appear on hundreds or thousands of web pages. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:46, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * That I cannot explain, as I do not work for CBS. I am just an astute observer of sports broadcasting, especially golf, american football and baseball. And I cannot explain CBS's bizarre decision making regarding their usage of on-screen logos online, but I do not lie, they don't use their on-screen logos in press releases, instead using a generic "CBS Sports" logo. But my argument is that the articles are about TV programs, not press releases or online branding, and the TV programs only use the logos I posted. Take a look at [this broadcast] of a 2014 PGA Tour event on CBS (though it is the Sky feed, which is just ripped from CBS's). The logo's use is demonstrated at the 7:30 mark, as the announcers are introduced, and continues throughout the telecast. I cannot explain it, only demonstrate it. AMLNet49-Talk-Cont 14:59, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
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File:PGA CBS 2007.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  16:12, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * File:PGA CBS 2007.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by AMLNet49 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Violates WP:NFCC as it doesn't have a source. Also violates WP:NFCC as it can't be found outside of Wikipedia.  Corkythehornetfan  (Talk)  20:05, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * A logo which can't be found outside Wikipedia also violates WP:NFCC. According to WP:NFCI §2, logos are permitted for identification. However, if the logo can't be found anywhere outside Wikipedia, people are obviously not using this logo for identification. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:28, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
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