Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2015 September 21



File:High Point University (logo).gif

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  05:02, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * File:High Point University (logo).gif ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Dtoddmiller ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned; File:HPU Panthers.png has replaced this file in all articles. Corkythe hornetfan  02:11, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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File:Official Portrait of Peter Dutton.jpg

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 * File:Official Portrait of Peter Dutton.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Andreas11213 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Per wikipedia image rules, living person images cannot have any copyright on them regardless of fair use, and the URL where the images are located have no mention of creative commons next to them. Timeshift (talk) 06:17, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Link to the copyright information. Andreas11213 (talk) 09:00, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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File:Jamie Briggs Official Portrait.jpg

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 * File:Jamie Briggs Official Portrait.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Andreas11213 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Per wikipedia image rules, living person images cannot have any copyright on them regardless of fair use, and the URL where the images are located have no mention of creative commons next to them. Timeshift (talk) 06:17, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Link to the copyright information. Andreas11213 (talk) 09:00, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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File:Warren Truss Official Portrait.jpg

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 * File:Warren Truss Official Portrait.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by Andreas11213 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Per wikipedia image rules, living person images cannot have any copyright on them regardless of fair use, and the URL where the images are located have no mention of creative commons next to them. Timeshift (talk) 06:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Link to the copyright information. Andreas11213 (talk) 09:00, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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File:Jim Gary - Twentieth Century Dinosaurs - 83d40m poster - tour of Japan.JPG

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 * File:Jim Gary - Twentieth Century Dinosaurs - 83d40m poster - tour of Japan.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by 83d40m ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Fails WP:NFCC#8 -- does not significantly increase readers' understanding in article. Readers can understand that his work was exhibited in Japan without seeing a poster for the exhibition. In addition, there are two layers of copyright at issue here. It might be argued that nonfree images of the artist's work are needed in an article about the artist. However, this image also incorporates the copyrighted work of the photographer of the sculptures and/or the poster designer. We should instead be using photos of Jim Gary's works for which the photographer has released his/her own copyright. The sculptures are currently on display in Tallahassee and a Wikipedian could easily go to take photos of them. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:11, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Transfering the discussion from my talk page here in order for it to be part of the discussion.

Orphaned non-free image File:Jim Gary - Twentieth Century Dinosaurs - 83d40m poster - tour of Japan.JPG[edit] ⚠ Thanks for uploading File:Jim Gary - Twentieth Century Dinosaurs - 83d40m poster - tour of Japan.JPG. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 02:13, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Jim Gary - Twentieth Century Dinosaurs - 83d40m poster - tour of Japan.JPG Notice profundity of reason for diminishing the article for readers

(cur | prev) 16:24, 17 September 2015‎ Calliopejen1 (talk | contribs)‎. . (36,532 bytes) (-249)‎. . (→‎International traveling exhibition launched: rm unneeded nonfree image) (undo)

in this spree documentation.

_ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 04:20, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Decided to restore the image and provide rationale.

(cur | prev) 04:28, 21 September 2015‎ 83d40m (talk | contribs)‎. . (36,781 bytes) (+249)‎. . (Undid revision 681503327 by Calliopejen1 (talk) poster is—allowed—and is useful for readers to see the reception in another country - better understanding of its recognition) (undo)

_ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 04:31, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Image should be kept local — but put into the Wiki where it may be shared with other Wikipedias, in process of creating one in the Japanese Wikipedia — but not sure how to transfer the image. Need help with that. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 06:03, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Regarding comment by editor that the image was unneeded note text related to the poster:

"The exhibition was booked for a tour of Japan that began in April 1984. The poster displayed to the right was for the opening exhibition at a national museum in Tokyo that lasted through May, before making a six-month tour to museums in other Japanese cities. Posters were distributed in the cities that were included in the tour and they were displayed in buses, trains, and other public places to announce the exhibition in each museum."

What museums in USA would be analogous to those to which this exhibition went as a solo show? What museums in Britain would be analogous to those in this tour?

Where is the rule being used by this editor? Is this editor qualified to judge the subject of art and its professional standards? Is a national tour to the major museums in Japan of the works of an artist from the USA—unneeded information? Are the posters produced by the Japanese not a significant indicator of the esteem for the artist in Japan?

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Taking one image at a time allows discussion—a deviation from the spree initiated against images posted by this user—who now is being disparaged by the editor on the spree in edit summaries. I find this spree and the related behavior quite contrary to Wikipedia standards, as I know them, and suspect a personal agenda. Now a personal judgment by that editor of an image that cannot be taken down "for (presumed) causes" (that remain allegations) being unneeded is used for justification... This deserves examination (? bullying ?)

_ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 15:39, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Please refrain from unfounded accusations of a "personal agenda". I'm working through WP:CCI and am helping clean up your uploads. And the "spree" has consisted of less than a dozen images, with many more where I have improved the image description to prevent future deletion. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:39, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

File:Jim Gary - Twentieth Century Dinosaurs - 83d40m poster - tour of Japan.JPG listed for deletion[edit] A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Jim Gary - Twentieth Century Dinosaurs - 83d40m poster - tour of Japan.JPG, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:11, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Because I did not have time to provide information regarding the items that were deleted previously, does not mean that your presumption is correct. I clearly indicated that time would not allow responding in a timely manner. For you to assert that questions about them were factual even though there was not an opportunity for debate, is inflammatory. I have a right to respond to such statements and your tenor drove my response. If you did not fling that about as if it were fact, I likely would have responded differently. I apologize for any reaction that offends you, but perhaps you fail to understand that it is a likely precipitate from your statements that are completely unnecessary for this discussion. Interpreting that as an indicator of an agenda followed naturally. You have escalated the status to deletion now, when discussion remains in play. How should I interpret that? Since I am beginning an article on Gary in the Japanese Wikipedia, movement to Wikimedia Commons would enable the poster to be used there.

Retain Posters are dealt with separately for a reason. They are intended for distribution without copyright concerns. Their intention is exactly the opposite, wide distribution and access to the contents.

Posters tend to be very informative about their subjects, that is why they are good visuals for articles.

Posters are used all the time in Wikipedia for other arts such as movies—that should be the same standard applied here.

According to Gary's studio director, all images for the poster originated from the studio of the sculptor, being provided in advance as publicity and marketing. There are no layers of issues.

The poster demonstrates the enthusiasm for his work among museums of prime national stature in another country, which certainly is helpful for readers to begin to understand the why he became so well known internationally that he was given solo shows throughout another country.

The poster provides an image of the sculptor, which does not exist in the introduction, and may not be able to be posted to the article for decades.

The poster is useful to show examples of sculptures included in the exhibition. You already have reduced examples of the diversity of his work with the elimination of the images of his most significant works, universal woman and the stained glass woman. Further reduction does not serve our readers well.

_ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 07:08, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think this non-free poster is necessary for Gary's article, as discussed above. Images where the photographer has released his rights under a free license would be preferable, even assuming that additional examples (beyond the two nonfree images already in the article) of Gary's dinosaur artworks are necessary for the article.  The poster also does not show in any meaningful way what Gary looks like.  Finally, this image cannot be moved Commons because it is not free (and Commons only accepts free images).  I do not believe that Japanese Wikipedia accepts nonfree images either (see e.g. ja:ゲルニカ (絵画), the Japanese article for Guernica, which omits a photo of the painting). Note that I had nothing to do with the removal of other images from the article. Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:18, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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File:Luigi Chinetti - apres LeMans - 83d40m.JPG

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 * File:Luigi Chinetti - apres LeMans - 83d40m.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) – uploaded by 83d40m ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

no reason given that this photograph would be in the public domain -- Chinetti participated in 24 Hours of Le Mans from 1932 to 1953. It might be PD-Italy but we would need to have information about first publication, etc. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:27, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It is a photograph, not from a publication, and it was taken in Italy prior to 1949. The person who took the photograph gave it to me before dying. I created an edit of it and released my edit to creative commons, but presume the original date is the relevant one. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 03:57, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Who took this photo? Are you his or her heir? Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:00, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note that this image appears to have been posted on the internet as of 2006, two years before it was uploaded here. I cannot verify with archive.org, however, that this image was actually posted online as of 2006. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:54, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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