Wikipedia:Files for deletion/Replaceable fair use/File:1998 TL1000R canada brochure.jpg


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of a fair use image as a replaceable image. Please do not modify it. 

The result was to delete the image.

—Angr 12:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Failed fair use
Delete - Product exists and is very popular. There are many instances to get a free use image of this subject. The simple fact is it exists in public and that's why almost all so-called "promotional" images of motorcycles and automobiles are deleted right away due to WP:FUC. Roguegeek (talk) 10:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, this image isn't even a promotional image that is able to be used from Suzuki and even if it was, it's coming from a completley unofficial manufacturer site. It's an image from a brochure and who knows if it's even able to be used as promotional. Roguegeek (talk) 11:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Keep - This is a TL type R, not a common TL type S. They are much more rare. If there was a free image I would use it, but there isn't. No wikipedian that I could find (and I looked for several days) has owned this bike, and there are no images in the Commons. IF such a picture were avalable, I would be the first to call for its use, but there is no such image at this time. As for the origin: the webmaster of said website CLEARLY STATES on the webpage AND ALSO in a CONFORMATION EMAIL that said image is a SCAN from the front-cover 1998 CANADA SALES BROCHURE! May I refer you to WP:FU regarding Other Promotional Material. . . Under the guidelines it is acceptable by wikipedia AND US COPYRIGHT LAWS. I don't really understand what is being argued about it not following WP:FU. I will continue writing in the morning, but considering that it is 3:54AM and I have a business meeting in just over 5 hours, I trust that this will allow the image to stay till morning. . . -BMan1113VR 11:55, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There is nothing rare about this product. it's simply discontinued and it wasn't even discontinued long ago. This one is a no-brainer to me. Just like always, it fails fair use for the same reason why almost every single fair use image of a vehicle or motorcycle fails. It exists and could be photographed. Roguegeek (talk) 12:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * BTW, check out how many images there are here. That should very easily show how quickly images could be found. If I'm ever having problems finding a free use image of a bike, I'll go here, find an image and its author, ask them to release one to free use, and then follow the instructions over at Commons. Maybe you could do the same if it's that important to have an image of this relatively common motorcycle. Roguegeek (talk) 12:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link, I will see if any of them are willing to contribute a picture of an unmolested bike. I believe that an image is an essential for motorcycle entries on wikipedia (I assume the majority of the motorcycle project members would agree). In the meantime, I do not think this image should be removed untill a suitable replacement is found (I'll cite WP:IAR on this one, as images vastly improve models of, [to the average reader] obscure motorcycles). As for the rarity, Suzuki classified it as a limited production model, where as the TL-S is a normal production model. - BMan1113VR 01:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it.