Wikipedia:Files for deletion/Replaceable fair use/File:67006 at Wrexham General.PNG


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of a fair use image as a replaceable image. Please do not modify it. 

The result was to delete the image.

Image was not being used in a way to make it nonreplaceable. —Angr 10:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Replaceable
It's a 67. No reason that we can't go take a picture of one, or use a free resource. 86.142.8.228 20:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Rationale for use

 * This image is not intended to illustrate a Class 67. It is specifically included as the test train of the Wrexham & Shropshire open-access train operator. This image is only available on the company website, where it is shown in a promotional capacity. On Wikipedia, it is only intended for the Wrexham and Shropshire page, which is why it is not included on any other pages. Hammersfan 23/12/06, 20.10 GMT
 * We can't use it to illustrate the WSMR test train as nothing in the image identifies it as such. As a result, as a picture of a 67 it fails WP:FUC #1, and as a picture of the WSMR test movement is fails #8 too.  86.128.16.134 21:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * There are plenty of free images of the British Rail Class 67 locomotives, including one in the article: Image:67029...26-01-06...PAD.JPG. It should also be possible to create even more images if necessary. --Oden 17:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I have to disagree. In the context of the picture, the 67 is hauling mk2/3 carriages and is standing at Wrexham Station. As far as I'm aware, the chance of this EVER re-occuring (bar the W&SMR actually using them) is very little to zero. Yes, I could find about 200 photos on the Internet of class 67s, but I guarantee that I wouldn't be able to find one of a 67 STOPPED at Wrexham General, at the head of a "passenger" train. I think this image is very much fair use. Worley-d 22:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It sounds like the image depicts a rare event, however this is not mentioned in the caption or rest of the article.
 * Also, the image is used in the infobox which serves to illustrate the subject of the article in general and not a specific event.
 * Finally it should be possible to create a image of a MK 2/MK 3 carriage separately. I do not understand why the carriage has to be connected to a locomotive (and not just any locomotive, but a class 67 locomotive).


 * As a matter of fact, the articles British Rail Mark 2 and British Rail Mark 3 have free images. There are also two categories at the commons: Category:British Rail Mk2 coaches and Category:British Rail Mk3 coaches in addition to Category:British Rail Class 67.


 * And there is no support in the article for why the image needs to be so specific as to illustrate a particular locomotive connected to a particular coach at a particular train station (Wrexham General railway station).--Oden 12:00, 25 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The bottom line: the image in question would be considered irreplaceable if it depicted a event which is not repeatable. Since the company in question has not begun its services yet a promotional image depicting the company's services would not be repeatable until the company begins operating.


 * However this image does not identify the subject of the article sufficiently to meet fair use criterion #8. Since it only shows a railway locomotive and coach it is replaceable with any other image which depicts the same objects. --Oden 13:52, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

So... The image's caption needs updating? Or.. ? Worley-d 22:43, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The caption doesn't make a difference to criterion #8. 86.138.246.82 00:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I disagree, personally. But my opinion counts for nothing. Worley-d 02:54, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Feel free to disagree, everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, Wikipedia is not a democracy, so what matters is the merit of your arguments. If you find a photograph that meets the requirements then your arguments will have an impact. Of course the best outcome would be if someone were to take a photograph which is of value to the article in question and upload it under a free license. --Oden 13:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it.