Wikipedia:Files for deletion/Replaceable fair use/File:Antonia Fraser.jpg


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of a fair use image as a replaceable image. Please do not modify it. 

The result was to delete the image.

—Angr 20:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use disputed
This image is being used to illustrate a period in the career of the author Antonia Fraser: when she published the book Marie Antoinette (Marie Antoinette: The Journey) (2001, 2002) and her most recently-published book, Love and Louis XIV: The Women in the Life of the Sun King (2006). The color image is a better likeness than the black-and-white image (featured as publicity for Random House (New York, US). This photo is from the publisher Orion Publishing Group, the UK publisher, and it is also featured in publicity for their publications of her works and thus deemed to be within fair use.  It is probably part of the book jacket inside the book cover for the book.  For that reason and for its placement as featured publicity shots, it is possibly part of the book cover for the book.  It is deemed within fair use.  The copyright for the photo is not identified by Random House(US) on all of its webpages featuring the black and white image (though it is listed on at least some).  The photographer for the color (and derivative black and white photo) is identified as (c) Sue Greenhill by Orion and also by Random House on the page that is now linked in external links in the article. It is being used to illustrate the subject of the article in approximately 2001 or 2002 to 2006, the period when her two most recent books were published, and it is far more recent than some other photographs. The one used up until last week appears to have dated from the 1960s. Other recent photographs that are accessible on the internet are not necessarily publicity photographs (many are from news articles and possibly copyrighted to newspapers and their photographers), and they are also more dated than this one. Photographs such as this one are featured for book publishers' publicity purposes and thus within fair use. --NYScholar 07:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Regardless, it is still possible to find a free photograph of this person, or to photograph this person and release the photo under a free license. That's why I think it's replaceable. – Quadell (talk) (random) 20:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I have not found any such "free photograph of this person" that is an appropriate contemporary (close to 2007) illustration for this article. The photograph prior to the one that I replaced with this photograph dated from the late 60s, which is absurdly dated.  If you think "it's replaceable" with a "free photograph" that is close to 2007 in time, then you find the photograph and/or you "photograph this person and release the photo under a free license." The rationale for use of this photograph of the author from the publisher's book jacket (and online advertising) by Sue Greenhill for the book Marie Antoinette was stated in the earlier rationale (see above).  Book cover rationale is allowable in Wikipedia. This photograph should not be deleted. --NYScholar 23:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The image is not being used in the article to illustrate a period in her career, it's being used to show what she looks like. As such, it's replaceable. —Angr 20:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it.