Wikipedia:Files for deletion/Replaceable fair use/File:Fearfactorypromo.jpg


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of a fair use image as a replaceable image. Please do not modify it. 

The result was to delete the image.

Why Fearfactorypromo.jpg is not replaceable: 81.182.200.230 23:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The above photo is used purely in encyclopedic nature.
 * As a promotional photo, the image is released by the copyright holder for public use such as this.
 * No free photo of good quality is available, where all four members are clearly visible and recognizable. (A blurry concert photo is not a proper, acceptable solution to get rid of a promotional photo.)
 * It portrays the main subject of the article, namely the band Fear Factory.


 * This does not address the requirements specified by WP:FU. There's no reason to believe that a free replacement could not be created.  --Yamla 02:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I understand it does not mean that someone couldn't possibly create or find a free one, it was more of a complaint about how these blurry free concert photos taken by members of the audience appear on more and more wikipedia pages of bands or musicians. And OK, sometimes they are good quality pictures but there's only 1, 2 or maybe 3 members of the band visible when an appropriate picture should show each one of them (at least it's my opinion). And the promotional photos are in fact issued to show the band in magazines, on websites etc., what else can be the reason for these photos' existence? Even if they're copyrighted in some way..I don't know much about that. I think this photo too should remain on the page until a good free alternative is provided by someone, I really couldn't find one (eg. on Flickr) or make one. If some things I wrote were stupid or something, sorry, I didn't read that whole long page (WP:FU). 84.2.113.171 12:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * This is not permitted. We may not use a fair-use image such as this if a free replacement could be created.  Not even until the free replacement is found.  Remember, Wikipedia's policy on fair-use is much stricter than U.S. law allows because we are building a free encyclopedia.  --Yamla 14:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

You can say to almost any photo that a free alternative could be created, can't you? Of course, theoretically, any photo can be replaced with a free one. But what if nobody finds or makes one? Can it be possible than that you are wrong and no free alternative exists? Or more precisely an alternative on which every member is clearly visible. You said that wiki's rules are stricter than US laws but I'd still like to point out that according to US laws "The fair use of a copyrighted work...for purposes such as criticism, comment,...scholarship...is not an infringement of copyright." And as I've said it already the reason companies, managements behind musicians issue these promotional photos is to use them in articles, to illustrate the band the article is about etc. This photo is also of much lower resolution so that no one can use it for any purposes to make profit. Gocsa 14:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * A photo of the Beatles can't be replaced, since two of them are dead. But this band is still together and still touring. – Quadell (talk) (random) 02:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
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