Wikipedia:Files for deletion/Replaceable fair use/File:Firefox 2.0.0.6 on Ubuntu.png


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of a fair use image as a replaceable image. Please do not modify it. 

The result was to delete the image.

east. 718 at 02:07, March 30, 2008

The only reasons why this image is put up for CSD is because it contains the Google, Wikipedia and Firefox logos. All there are considered non-free by Wikipedia standards. on the Mozilla Firefox article, I've replaced it with a screen shot that includes a window manager that does not display the Firefox icon, replaced the Wikipedia logo with a free alternative, and replaced the search engine for the Creative Commons. Everything in the latest screenshot is absolutely free. This image serves no fair use, as there is a completely free use available. If someone wanted to know what the logo was for firefox, it is included in the article itsef separate from this screenshot. -- w L &lt;speak·check&gt; 20:13, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, let's just alter reality with free images... The screenshot needs to show what Firefox looks like. A CC logo in the search box could confuse most readers, since its not a real search engine. Wikipedia logo is negligible... its ON Wikipedia, and its needed to show the real website. The infobox screenshot should be a regular screenshot of the program, don't mess around with removing the icon because thats not the way it looks. Althepal (talk) 20:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The goal is to make this image free. WP:NONFREE states that if there's a free version, it MUST be used regardless. It is POLICY! The current screenshot of 2.0.0.12 shows exactly what firefox looks like It is a screenshot of a webpage using Firefox's default theme. Just because "nobody used Creative Commons search engine" (which is completely untrue, since I use it) doesn't mean that it is not a search engine; the Google image is copyrighted by Google, while the Creative Commons is free to modify. Firefox is an application that displays web pages. The toolbar buttons and titles have not been altered by a custom theme, nor has the buttons been arranged. As for free vs. fair, All Wikipedia articles can be copied and forked to other websites based on the GDFL. The unofficial logo can safely be copied to other sites because it's released under a free licnese, the Wikipedia logo is only limited to use on Wikipedia projects that accept fair use images. Also we are not focusing on Wikipedia. We are focusing of Firefox! The Firefox, Wikipedia and Google logos make this image non-free, as they cannot be freely edited. -- w L &lt;speak&middot;check&gt; 20:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:NONFREE states that if there's a free alternative it should be used. There is no "regardless". Why don't I also put your screenshot on the Internet Explorer page, since it looks kind of similar and they can get the idea its a web browser without using a non free image? Huh? That's just an extreme of what you're doing. In this case, your image is not a suitable alternative and thus it is not needed. Althepal (talk) 20:35, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:Wikipedia_Main_Page_in_Firefox_2.0.0.12.png is a 100% free image that not only looks like Firefox, but is Firefox. Internet Explorer is Proprietary software, with absolutely no way to find an open source version, so it doesn't apply in this case. -- w L &lt;speak&middot;check&gt; 20:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh come on, a wikipedia logo is no reason to change the screenshot, and don't mess with the way the icon shows up on the title bar. Althepal (talk) 20:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * [restting indents] This discussion is about whether or not this image is free. Nothing in the other image has been doctored. I've used a Linux Window manager theme that doesn't show the corner icon, the Wikipedia logo has been replaced using a Special:Mypage/Monobook.css modification. So everything in that shot is real and valid. If someone wanted to see the logo, it's on the article right above the screenshot. Please give me some policy based rebuttles instead of "It looks better". Becuase no matter how much I want it to "look better", it doesn't make it any more free. -- w L &lt;speak&middot;check&gt; 20:53, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

This dispute has been brought up to Media_copyright_questions


 * A few things:
 * The Wikipedia logo is overuse of non-free content. I was planning to replace this screenshot when Firefox 3 came out, but we can do it early if you want. Since we're trying to illustrate the browser and not any particular web page, the web page is not of too great importance, but we should stick to reality and not modify the web page presented. This was discussed before for the Internet Explorer article and the result was to show the Wikipedia web page, but scroll the logo off the screen (see Image:Windows Internet Explorer 7 Vista.png).
 * Screenshots like this one should be precisely 800 pixels wide, which is the maximum length allowed by the MediaWiki software before it starts automatically scaling images down.
 * The Google "logo" present is just the letter G, which is not copyrightable.
 * The screenshot should show firefox's default settings, including any non-free logos.
 * —Remember the dot (talk) 22:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Definitely replaceable by the other image and this should be deleted. Stifle (talk) 14:07, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

'The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.'