Wikipedia:Files for deletion/Replaceable fair use/File:Jack Turner (writer) PromoPhoto.jpg

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Thanks Tangotango for cleaning up the layout for me. :-) I was not trying to create an edit war. I was making changes (trying to clean up my own work) when you were, too. I mostly kept your formatting, updated the URL, changed "author" to "Copyright holder" since it's not clear if his wife just holds the copyright or if she also took the photo. Here is the requested fair use rationale: Copyright is held by Turner's wife and appears on his publisher's and several other Websites with biographical information about him. It is being used to uniquely identify this Jack Turner, the writer and television documentary host, from the various other Jack Turners out there, including another author]. [[User:Willscrlt|Willscrlt 10:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC) and updated again at 10:12 November 2006 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use Image?

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of a fair use image as a replaceable image. Please do not modify it. 

The result was to delete the image.

This photo was tagged as an image for which a non-copyrighted image should be readily available. I do not feel that to be correct. Further, this photo was a) taken by the wife of the person, b) is used in several places as a promotional image of the subject (person), and c) there are no other photographs that I have been able to locate that are less likely to be objected to than this one.

Most of the photos available are box-covers of the videos in which Jack Turner has appeared as the host, or screenshots of the actual episodes. Such images are also copyrighted, and while they might be acceptable under fair use when discussing the documentaries, they are less likely to be so when used on a page solely involving the show's host. This photograph's intention is clear: it is to promote and identify Jack Turner.

This photo is free of copyright problems from publishers, distributors, and cable networks, because the copyright belongs to Jack Turner's wife. It's highly unlikely that she would object to it being used (fairly or otherwise) in this manner.

As to the ease of locating a suitable replacement photo, I would say it would be quite difficult. This is not a person regularly in the public spotlight. It's not likely that a Wikipedia would run across him on a street corner and ask him to pose for a photo for Wikipedia.

So why is a photograph of Jack Turner important to include in Wikipedia? Jack Turner is both a television documentary personality (a visual medium) and a non-fiction author. There is another fairly prolific Jack Turner, who is also a non-fiction author. There is also, apparently, another Jack Turner who attended the same university as this Jack Turner, and it makes things very confusing. By providing a photograph, it helps to clarify exactly which Jack Turner is being discussed, and makes the link between the Jack Turner on TV and the one in the article. Would it be the end of the world if the photo was deleted? Of course not. But I think it would make it more difficult for the readers and researchers using Wikipedia, and I also think the use of this photo falls squarely within "fair use" rights and would be entirely unlikely to every be disputed by the copyright holder.

In summary, since there is no easy way to obtain a replacement photo of the person, the photo itself serves a useful purpose (rather than a purely artistic one), it is clearly being used in a "fair use" manner, the copyright holder is the person's own wife, the photo is clearly designed with this type of purpose in mind, and the photograph is widely distributed (I only linked to the copy on his primary publisher's website, which is where I downloaded this particular copy), I think the photo should remain. If a suitable replacement is eventually found, then this photo should be removed--but not before that unlikely event happens. --  Will  scrlt ( Talk ) 12:10, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * We generally choose to do without a photo of a living person unless we can get a freely-licensed one. It may seem difficult, but there are Wikipedians all over the world, and it regularly happens that one of them manages to take a photo of a person or place that the people working on the article would be most unlikely to be able to go to. ElinorD (talk) 16:17, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * ''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it.