Wikipedia:Files for deletion/Replaceable fair use/File:MargaretWilson.jpg


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of a fair use image as a replaceable image. Please do not modify it. 

The result was to delete the image.

The image is not replaceable, since it shows three of the key figures of the Fifth Labour Government of New Zealand together, at a unique time in New Zealand's history when all three positions were occupied by women. Dame Cartright has since finished her term of office and so this combination will never be repeated.- gadfium 03:47, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Why is a non-free image needed to show this? Can't that be done equally well with text, or with free images of the three people in question? Videmus Omnia Talk  03:52, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course text can be used, and it is used, but by that argument there is rarely any need for images in an encyclopaedia at all. There is a huge difference between a photo of three people together and three separate photos of those people, taken on different occasions. I should also point out that this photo was taken at the occasion when the last of these three people gained her office, so this was a unique occasion.- gadfium 05:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Is there a source to support that this image is historic? Also, the use rationale is written only for Margaret Wilson, and the image isn't used there. Videmus Omnia Talk  05:06, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the section title for the fair use rationale. Where would you suggest I look for such a source as you request?- gadfium 05:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No idea, sorry. Videmus Omnia Talk  17:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

These people are still alive, and could still be photographed. There is no compelling need to have all of them together in the same photograph. – Quadell (talk) (random) 00:34, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * ''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it.

Reduction
There is no need to reduce the size of the image here, as it is used entirely according to its copyright statement, which allows anyone to use the image. Wikipedia does not distinguish between images which are used under a "fair use" claim in United States law despite being under restrictive copyright laws (for example, album covers), and images which are free to use but which do not qualify as free images under Wikipedia's policies. We call all these images "fair use". To use a low-resolution image is necessary for such things as album covers because we need to make sure the image we present has negligible commercial value as part of the fair use claim, but this is not necessary for an image such as this one.- gadfium 19:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Deletion
It seems that no fair use case can possibly succeed, if the people in the photo are still alive. You have wasted my time and your own by suggesting that deletion of the image was open to discussion. I am disillusioned.- gadfium 03:34, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that you disagreed with the assessment - you can argue for undeletion at deletion review if you like. Videmus Omnia Talk  03:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I also disagree with this assessment and think that Gadfium has made a compelling case. Tyrenius 04:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Then I recommend that this go to deletion review to get a clear consensus. Videmus Omnia Talk  04:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I have requested a deletion review. Comment may be added at Deletion review/Log/2007 August 23 gadfium  05:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)