Wikipedia:Files for deletion/Replaceable fair use/File:Moncrieff Disappearing Gun.jpg


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of a fair use image as a replaceable image. Please do not modify it. 

The result was to delete the image.

Deletion
Just to clarify - I strongly object to anyone deleting this image even if no replacement is found. This image is not fair use because some uploader decided it to be so - this is specifically allowed by the website of origin, and so there is NO reason to replace this UNLESS a good substitute is already found. MadMaxDog 03:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * MadMaxDog - we don't distinguish between 'by permission' and 'fair-use' images for the simple reason that the content on wikipedia is intended for re-use by anyone for any reason (including commercial gain). While we may have permission to use the image on wikipedia - a wikipedia content re-user - i.e. answers.com may not have permission. If the image is justifyably being used as a fair use image (e.g. The Persistence of Memory) - then it should be okay for anyone to use it. If the image is simply being used 'by permission' then they can't use the image. Since we are trying to build a free encyclopedia it's better that we replace such images with free images - so that more of the encyclopedia can be re-used.
 * If you are in contact with the operator of the website I would suggest that you ask them to release it under the GFDL or release the image for unlimited use i.e. No rights reserved. Megapixie 06:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * What megapixie said. Permission and fair use isn't acceptable because this is still just a diagram that could be drawn by anyone. There's no reason to use this specific non-free version. In fact, I'm certain there are Wikipedians who could make an animated GIF showing the disappearing gun moving into and out of its hiding place, which would be even more informative than this image. —Angr 09:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * ''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it.

I just want to record my shared frustration with MadMaxDog. These monster deleters of all but the worst images (which happen to be legally watertight) are seriously worsening Wikipedia-- all for the purpose of dodging purely imaginary lawsuits that have never and will never materialize. In this case, the image, which had explicit permission for use from the originating website, should clearly have been retained until a better illustration was uploaded by someone. And even then there should be no deletion involved-- simply a replacement by a better image... Most frustrating of all, Jimbo urges these people on in their orgies of deletion. BUT-- Jimbo has come around on other issues before. MadMaxDog: we need a concentrated effort to rescue Jimbo. JDG 17:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)