Wikipedia:Files for deletion/Replaceable fair use/File:Secretpromo4.PNG


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of a fair use image as a replaceable image. Please do not modify it. 

The result was to delete the image.

—Angr 13:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

We could not find a free-use image of Ayumi Hamasaki, so we might use this temporarily until we can find a free-use image of her. Big  top  00:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I do not think it is correct to keep the image, as it is misleading (people visiting the article might think there is already an image, and would not care about producing one). Also, the Wikipedias that follow fair use will just upload this image and use them, instead of trying to find a free image. -- ReyBrujo 04:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I put the tag since it's unlikely to find a free use image (possibly less than 10%).  Big  top  04:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ehem... the fact that you or me live just too far from Japan with virtually zero possibility of knowing her does not mean a native from the Japanese Wikipedia can't go to any of her 25-30 concerts per year to get a picture ;) I have contacted two Flickr users to see if they could give us permission, with one not replying (tried again yesterday) and the other replying affirmately but haven't chosen a license yet. The images are this and this (so that you don't try to contact them, it is enough that I am pestering them to have another from Wikipedia to poke them at the same time). Somehow, I am guessing that tag is rarely used in public living persons like her. -- ReyBrujo 04:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to comment that I've restored the Replaceable fair use tag, since it should only be removed by an admin once he/she has reviewed the image. I've also added Replaceable fair use disputed per Bigtop's comments.  Just to make sure you saw, ReyBrujo, the user who took the second picture has a larger version (in case you want to ask for it).  ShadowHalo 05:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm defending with ReyBrujo, and I'm thinking we should have a free-use image on the top area and put this image under the "Secret era" section of the Ayumi Hamasaki article. Big  top  05:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Moving it from the infobox to the Secret section would be a definite improvement. I'm not completely sure if it would still meet WP:FUC since it would be somewhat decorative, though (as many of the other promo photos appear to be).  It's my understanding that fair use images should be used to illustrate a section with critical commentary on the person's look or style, like how Image:Weirdalclassic.jpg is being used.  Might it be more appropriate to replace the promo photos with the album covers since there is critical commentary on the albums and their songs?  ShadowHalo 06:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Going to do that. Last time it happened was around on December 2006. Big  top  06:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I should have been a little clearer. I meant that the album covers should be used next to their respective sections, not in the infobox.  One of the requirements for using album covers (see Template:Albumcover) requires that covers be used to illustrate the album itself and not anything on it (in this case, the artist).  ShadowHalo 07:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Note I was solicited to comment here, but since I don't share Bigtop's viewpoint I don't see a problem with WP:CANVASS. In my reading of WP:FU this image fails criteria 3: "The amount of copyrighted work used should be as little as possible", and 8: "The material must contribute significantly to the article (e.g. identify the subject of an article, or specifically illustrate relevant points or sections within the text) and must not serve a purely decorative purpose." The article itself by using various album covers with images of Ayumi Hamasaki, already clearly identifies the subject, and the promo photo is not sufficiently different from those images to warrant inclusion. ~ trialsanderrors 20:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This image does not violate the first fair use criterion on WP:FUC, so maybe we'll keep this image. Big  top  22:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Failing one criterion is sufficient for removal. This one fails two. ~ trialsanderrors 22:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you going to either delete it or not? Big  top  22:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't close image related cases. I'm just ofering my take as editor. ~ trialsanderrors 00:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it.