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File:Bussa.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by AnomieBOT ⚡  04:02, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * File:Bussa.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Dogfacebob ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

per, should possibly be converted to fair use. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 01:56, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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Non-free images in "Hollywood Sportatorium"

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The result of the discussion was: Relisted on Files for discussion/2017 January 15}}
 * File:LedZepAmerica1971.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Edelmand ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).
 * File:Sportatorium interior.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Jhw57 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).
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File:Isfahan Metro.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Relisted on }}
 * File:Isfahan Metro.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by AHeneen ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).
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File:Albert Einstein violin.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. No evidence of publication before 1923, and substantial doubt. See the IP's comments below. ~ Rob 13 Talk 02:47, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Albert Einstein violin.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Materialscientist ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This image was apparently rejected at Commons, meaning that whilst it would be acceptable locally, the licensing may need to be reviewed. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:34, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I can't parse your message above (it makes sense, but does not state the problem with the file - yes, not acceptable on Commons, but acceptable on en.wiki). Materialscientist (talk) 11:55, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I searched and found the deletion discussion on Commons. The image is in the public domain in the US if it was published (whether in the US or abroad) before 1923. Evidence is needed that the image was published before 1923. AHeneen (talk) 13:47, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It is hard to find pre-1923 Life content online, but This OUP book credits a different crop of the same image as follows: "Photograph from Life Magazine, 1921". Materialscientist (talk) 01:52, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


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File:Albert Einstein portrait.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. No evidence of publication before 1923, and substantial doubt. See the IP's comments below. ~ Rob 13 Talk 02:47, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Albert Einstein portrait.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Materialscientist ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This images was claimed to be have been rejected at Commons, which means that whilst it should be acceptable locally, the licensing needs reviewing. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:35, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Same as above. Materialscientist (talk) 11:56, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The question is, if this was published in Life magazine, when was that? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:45, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It is hard to find pre-1923 Life content online, but this neuroscience magazine credits this photo as "E. O. Hoppe from a 1921 edition of Life". Materialscientist (talk) 01:53, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * and are the Hathitrust links to 1921 Life.  Searching for Einstein yields 19 hits altogether.  None of them are relevant.  (No hits for Hoppe.)  In fact, 1921 Life apparently contains no photographs whatsoever.  Getty Images claims licensing rights, gives a Jan 1, 1921 date, attributing the photograph to Hoppe and the LIFE picture collection, not the magazine.  Apparently later citations just assumed Life meant the magazine.
 * So it's not clear when the image was first published. See, they had a huge library of unpublished photographs.  In addition to the Einstein violin picture next to this discussion, I'll note that  is yet another example of a 1921 Einstein image, incorrectly attributed to a 1921 issue of Life magazine.
 * I'll further note that the photojournalism magazine Life that we all associate with that name was the version created by Luce when he bought it out in 1936. 130.91.118.179 (talk) 17:34, 12 January 2017 (UTC)


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File:Rhapsody in Blue bb1-2.png

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 * File:Rhapsody in Blue bb1-2.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Dono ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).
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File:Still from silent film A Dash of Courage (1916).jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:02, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * File:Still from silent film A Dash of Courage (1916).jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Isaidnoway ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

I fail to see how a 1916 publicity still/or frame from a US film needs to be under 'fair use' as it's pre 1923. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:14, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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File:How Girls Can Help to Build Up the Empire.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as G6 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 15:08, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * File:How Girls Can Help to Build Up the Empire.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Gobonobo ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Metadata given suggests copyright had now expired? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:16, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, the copyright has now expired. I've uploaded this to Commons under the same file name and requested that it be speedily deleted. gobonobo  + c 18:57, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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File:Stema e Bashkisë Belsh.svg

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 * File:Stema e Bashkisë Belsh.svg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Kj1595 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).
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File:Taffychristifn.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:12, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Taffychristifn.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Schmausschmaus ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Tagged with NFUR not needed, but NFUR given. No notice license? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:41, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Withdrawn Uploader udpated. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:58, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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File:Taffyflyer.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:12, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Taffyflyer.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Schmausschmaus ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

No notice license, but NFUR given nontheless. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:42, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn Uploader udpated. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:59, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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File:Taffyflyer2.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:12, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Taffyflyer2.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Schmausschmaus ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

No notice license, but NFUR given... Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:50, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn Uploader udpated. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:59, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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File:Saltsign.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: '''Keep. The uploader's editing history indicates that he took the pictures himself''' Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:29, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Saltsign.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Sundropman05 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Refferal as this was tagged wrong license Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:52, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


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File:Sir Orfeo, first page, Auchinleck.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: '''Keep. Not clear from the nomination why PD-Art would not apply''' Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:31, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx" id="File:Sir Orfeo, first page, Auchinleck.jpg">File:Sir Orfeo, first page, Auchinleck.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Choor monster ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Metadata queries licensing. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:57, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


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File:Maurice Ravel - Thérèse Dussaut - Pavane pour une infante défunte.ogg
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The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn - F ASTILY   03:00, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx" id="File:Maurice Ravel - Thérèse Dussaut - Pavane pour une infante défunte.ogg">File:Maurice Ravel - Thérèse Dussaut - Pavane pour une infante défunte.ogg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Adam Cuerden ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Metadata claims this apparently expired in france at the start of 2016. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:11, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to throw a KeepLocal on it - mainly just as we know 100% it's safe under American copyright law, but I'm not an expert in French -, but by all means let's copy it to Commons as well. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:06, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn tagged keep local. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:43, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
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File:Taffygar.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:05, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Taffygar.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Schmausschmaus ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

No notice license, but NFUR provided. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:27, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn Uploader udpated. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:59, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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File:David Pearce article.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  12:06, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * File:David Pearce article.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by FinnRiver180 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Uncropped duplicate of David Pearce Boxer Tribute 180.jpeg -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 15:11, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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File:David Pearce Fight picture.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  12:06, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * File:David Pearce Fight picture.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by FinnRiver180 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Uncropped duplicate of David Pearce Fight Picture.jpeg -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 15:12, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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File:Manhattancollege1.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:04, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Manhattancollege1.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Brian.t.oconnor ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Unused, would have moved to Commons but tagged keep local. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 16:02, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You can still move it to Commons... Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:37, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
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File:Artati Marzuki-Sudirjo, Sang Saka Melanglang Djagad, p14.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 14:07, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx" id="File:Artati Marzuki-Sudirjo, Sang Saka Melanglang Djagad, p14.jpg">File:Artati Marzuki-Sudirjo, Sang Saka Melanglang Djagad, p14.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Crisco 1492 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Inconsistent dates for copyright expiry, which is correct? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 16:23, 20 December 2016 (UTC) (Ammmended (See below) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 16:47, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * additional -


 * file:Sukarno,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p12.jpg
 * file:Sukarno_speaking_to_RI_Dewarutji_crew,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p34.jpg
 * file:Sailors_bathing_in_sea_water,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p294.jpg
 * file:Roeslan_Abdulgani,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p14.jpg
 * file:Roeslan_Abdulgani_speaking_to_RI_Dewarutji,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p40.jpg
 * File:RI_Dewarutji_figurehead,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p101.jpg
 * file:RI_Dewarutji_figurehead_being_removed,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p100.jpg
 * File:RI_Dewarutji_figurehead_being_removed,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p100.jpg
 * File:RI_Dewarutji_crew_singing,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p180.jpg
 * File:RI_Dewarutji_crew_sailing,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p69.jpg
 * File:RI_Dewarutji_crew_on_ship,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p72.jpg
 * File:RI_Dewarutji_crew_on_ship,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p59.jpg
 * File:RI_Dewarutji_crew_on_rigging,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p119.jpg
 * File:RI_Dewarutji_crew_making_new_figurehead,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p129.jpg
 * File:RI_Dewarutji_crew_in_Egypt,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p91.jpg
 * File:RI_Dewarutji_crew_at_helm,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p74.jpg
 * File:RI_Dewarutji_cadets_at_Indonesian_Pavilion,_New_York_Worlds_Fair,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p201.jpg
 * File:RI_Dewarutji_at_Sukarnapura,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p301.jpg
 * File:RI_Dewarutji_at_Sukarnapura,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p296.jpg
 * File:RE_Martadinata,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p16.jpg
 * File:Rachmat Kartolo and Sandy Soewardi Varia 12 August 1964 p6.jpg
 * File:R_Soebijakto_meeting_crew_of_RI_Dewarutji_in_Yugoslavia,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p125.jpg
 * File:Man_with_Indonesian_Flag,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p303.jpg
 * File:Head_of_Naval_Information_Bureau_Ambardy,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p17.jpg
 * File:H_Sumantri_of_RI_Dewarutji,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p20.jpg
 * File:Crew_on_the_RI_Dewarutji,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p216.jpg
 * File:Ceremony_on_RI_Dewarutji_before_launch,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p35.jpg
 * File:Artati_Marzuki-Sudirjo,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p14.jpg
 * File:Ambassadors_on_RI_Dewarutji,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p192.jpg
 * File:AH_Nasution,_Sang_Saka_Melanglang_Djagad,_p12.jpg
 * File:RI Dewarutji in the waves, Sang Saka Melanglang Djagad, p97.jpg
 * File:RI Dewarutji leaving New York, Sang Saka Melanglang Djagad, p210.jpg
 * File:Roeslan Abdulgani, Sang Saka Melanglang Djagad, p14.jpg
 * File:Sailors bathing in sea water, Sang Saka Melanglang Djagad, p294.jpg
 * File:Rima Melati.jpg

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 16:40, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * And also inconsistent expiry dates :-


 * File:Sarwo Edhie Wibowo Mercu Suar 22 Nov 1966 p2.jpg
 * File:Pakualam VIII Mertju Suar 27 Jan 1967 p2.jpg
 * File:Suharto and Tien at Wedding Mertju Suar 30 Mar 1967.jpg
 * File:Suharto giving speech at Governors' conference Mertju Suar 17 mar 1967 p1.jpg
 * File:Lilis_Suryani_crop.jpg
 * File:Lilis Suryani.jpg
 * File:Suharto at press conference Mertju Suar 3 Jan 1967 p1.jpg

And so on...

Needs wholescale review of contributors uploads (sigh) :( Sfan00 IMG (talk) 16:46, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Sfan00 IMG, if you had bothered discussing anything with me before saying "Needs wholescale review of contributors uploads (sigh)" (way to AGF there), you'd have found out (without causing a fuss) that these were uploaded locally because they were considered to still be under copyright according to the 2002 Indonesian copyright law, which applied a term of 50 years after publication for all photographs; as such, these could not be uploaded to Commons. However, as the URAA only applied in 1996, the 1982 copyright law was in effect at the time; that law applied a duration of 25 years after publication for all photographs, and thus the photographs could be uploaded locally. The statements of copyright status were thus, correct, at the time of upload.
 * Nikkimaria has previously done image reviews for several similar images, and she has not had an issue with such templating. Similarly affected images (albeit PD under the 2002/2014 copyright laws, example) have passed FPC on Commons.
 * Many of these have since fallen out of copyright under the 2002 and 2014 law (which also applies 50 years after publication for photographs) and can be uploaded to Commons now. At worst, there are some where the dates need to be cleaned up either owing to sloppy copying of the templates/boilerplate text (mea culpa) or the fact that the "Do not move to commons" template automatically adds 1. That can be handled without deletion.


 * Also, in case this isn't absolutely clear, Keep/Move to Commons where applicable. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:37, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I have gone through and tagged files for moving to Commons (where applicable, including some not mentioned here) and fixed cases where dates mismatched, either owing to issues with templates (apparently PD-URAA does not add 1 year to the inputted date, while "do not move to commons" does -- definitely something for discussion). That should resolve any remaining issues. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:10, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn - Uploader has updated files for consistency, and a number should now be moved to Commons. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:17, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
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File:Nipple by Joss Redfern.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  12:06, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * File:Nipple by Joss Redfern.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by JossDude ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Refferal to FFD, I don't see how this image is useful to the encylopedia, but it IS in use on the uploader's page.

The image is also low quality, compared to others on Commons. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:47, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not the place to host pictures of everyone's nipples. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 22:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: '''Keep. Seems like the difference does not matter for copyright status. Will also change the template use a little''' Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:34, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * File:UP Carillon.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Gen 89 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Where did the 1979 date for this having expired come from? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:31, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd have thought it should be 1978, 25 years from 1952 construction. Ask User:King of Hearts.


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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:04, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Monument of Missouri.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Labattblueboy ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Not understanding why the copyright expires in 2015, for an architect/creator who died in 1976. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:32, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Keep and relicense as PD-Philippines Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:30, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx" id="File:Cubao Cathedral (side view).JPG">File:Cubao Cathedral (side view).JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Nasugbu batangas ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

I'm not understanding where the 1976 date comes from on this. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:51, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * 25 years after 1950 construction in Philippines. Thincat (talk) 21:41, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


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The result of the discussion was: '''Keep. Term refers to maps containing destinations, not to maps from a given source. This map appears to be derived from File:Europe blank laea location map.svg so not unfree''' Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:25, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * File:Destination maps.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Christopher 905 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Source is attributed to "Destination maps", possible derivative of non-free content  F ASTILY   22:32, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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