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File:Door to door (Modern Family).jpg

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The result of the discussion was: at. ℯ xplicit  04:11, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Door to door (Modern Family).jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by TeamGale ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Invalid NFUR--not used critically or for educational purposes that enhance a reader's understanding but purely decoration in an infobox. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:56, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep is in fair use, providing a visual identification of the episode Atlantic306 (talk) 19:32, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Charlie Kirk.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F7 by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:08, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Charlie Kirk.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Illinoiswiki10 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Non-free image of a still-living person. See item No. 1 under WP:NFC. NewYorkActuary (talk) 05:07, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Baoneng shenyang international financial center.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:05, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Baoneng shenyang international financial center.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Mashton444 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This is a computer rendering of a building likely created by the property developer and not by the user who uploaded it. Jc86035 (talk) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 10:04, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

As with below, a version of this image was referenced on a forum in September 2015 and so this is probably not own work. Jc86035 (talk) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 10:14, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Doha Convention Tower Rendering.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:05, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Doha Convention Tower Rendering.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Mashton444 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Copyvio, was on someone else's Blogspot in 2012 according to a forum post which references this link. Jc86035 (talk) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 10:11, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Millennium towertokyo.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:05, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Millennium towertokyo.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Mashton444 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Almost definitely a copyvio. This page containing the same file is from 2005, and strongly suggests it was rendered by Norman Foster. Jc86035 (talk) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 10:18, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Cleveland Abduction.jpeg

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The result of the discussion was: convert to non-free. (non-admin closure) – Train2104 (t • c) 01:24, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Cleveland Abduction.jpeg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Bchris26 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

TV movie poster, probably copyvio. Jc86035 (talk) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 10:28, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Clearly a fair use file. File converted to fair use with non-free poster. Discussion should be good to be closed now. Salavat (talk) 11:43, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Grey-blood.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: convert to non-free. (non-admin closure) – Train2104 (t • c) 01:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Grey-blood.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Bchris26 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Album cover, probably copyvio. Jc86035 (talk) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 10:29, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Clearly a fair use file. File converted to fair use with non-free album cover. Discussion should be good to be closed now. Salavat (talk) 11:42, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Under a Nouveau Groove (Club Nouveau album).jpeg

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The result of the discussion was: convert to non-free. (non-admin closure) – Train2104 (t • c) 01:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx" id="File:Under a Nouveau Groove (Club Nouveau album).jpeg">File:Under a Nouveau Groove (Club Nouveau album).jpeg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Bchris26 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Album cover, probably copyvio. Jc86035 (talk) <span style="display:inline-block;margin-bottom:-0.3em;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1.2em;font-size:80%;text-align:left">Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 10:30, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Clearly a fair use file. File converted to fair use with non-free album cover. Discussion should be good to be closed now. Salavat (talk) 11:40, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Listen to the Message (Club Nouveau album).jpeg
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The result of the discussion was: convert to non-free. (non-admin closure) – Train2104 (t • c) 01:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx" id="File:Listen to the Message (Club Nouveau album).jpeg">File:Listen to the Message (Club Nouveau album).jpeg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Bchris26 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Album cover, probably copyvio. Jc86035 (talk) <span style="display:inline-block;margin-bottom:-0.3em;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1.2em;font-size:80%;text-align:left">Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 10:30, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Clearly a fair use file. File converted to fair use with non-free album cover. Discussion should be good to be closed now. Salavat (talk) 11:39, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:One Love (New Edition album).jpg
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The result of the discussion was: convert to non-free. (non-admin closure) – Train2104 (t • c) 01:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx" id="File:One Love (New Edition album).jpg">File:One Love (New Edition album).jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Bchris26 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Album cover, probably copyvio. Jc86035 (talk) <span style="display:inline-block;margin-bottom:-0.3em;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1.2em;font-size:80%;text-align:left">Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 10:30, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Clearly a fair use file. File converted to fair use with non-free album cover. Discussion should be good to be closed now. Salavat (talk) 11:38, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Seduced and Betrayed poster.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: convert to non-free. (non-admin closure) – Train2104 (t • c) 01:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Seduced and Betrayed poster.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Bchris26 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Movie poster, probably copyvio. Jc86035 (talk) <span style="display:inline-block;margin-bottom:-0.3em;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1.2em;font-size:80%;text-align:left">Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 10:30, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Clearly a fair use file. File converted to fair use with non-free video cover. Discussion should be good to be closed now. Salavat (talk) 11:44, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Pat Clinton.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:05, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Pat Clinton.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Wikibrowser24 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

No source indicated. Moiré effect indicates this is a photograph of another screen. Jc86035 (talk) <span style="display:inline-block;margin-bottom:-0.3em;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1.2em;font-size:80%;text-align:left">Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125; to reply to me 10:34, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Muhammad Mohsan Khan.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:05, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Muhammad Mohsan Khan.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Muhammadmohsankhan ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Personal user photo with many versions, but not used on userpage, likely WP:NOTWEBHOST issue. – Train2104 (t • c) 14:31, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Theresa Allore.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:05, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Theresa Allore.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Jallore ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Per c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Theresa Allore.jpg – Train2104 (t • c) 14:33, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:MSA for c10orf76.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:05, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:MSA for c10orf76.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Ronburgandee ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Invalid PD rationale. – Train2104 (t • c) 14:42, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:San Lorenzo High School Façade.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:05, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx" id="File:San Lorenzo High School Façade.jpg">File:San Lorenzo High School Façade.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by James R. Aguilar ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Invalid PD rationale - just because it's been used in many places doesn't mean it's free – Train2104 (t • c) 14:43, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Radio Rebel soundtrack.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:05, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Radio Rebel soundtrack.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Stephanie J Stone ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Fails WP:NFCC and WP:FILMMUSIC. Cover is visually similar to the poster in the Radio Rebel article. DBZFan30 (talk) 14:52, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Home on the range soundtrack cover.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:05, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Home on the range soundtrack cover.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Nemeses9 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Fails WP:NFCC and WP:FILMMUSIC. The cover is visually similar to the poster in the Home on the Range (2004 film) article. DBZFan30 (talk) 15:00, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Sister Catherine Cesnik.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:05, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Sister Catherine Cesnik.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by ConneeSheckler ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Vague and likely invalid license and author information. If it is from a yearbook it is not public domain. RA 0808 talkcontribs 17:08, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Lawton High Helmet.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  06:04, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Lawton High Helmet.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Noles1984 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

possible derivative of non-free content (logo)  F ASTILY   20:15, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Leon High Helmet.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  06:04, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Leon High Helmet.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Noles1984 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

unused, possible derivative of non-free content (logo)  F ASTILY   20:15, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Ripon College FB.png
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 * File:Ripon College FB.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Noles1984 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

possible derivative of non-free content (logo)  F ASTILY   20:15, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Railtime.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:05, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Railtime.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Woodstone ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Non-free image being used in 24-hour clock. A discussion about the file's size was started at WP:MCQ, but I think there are other non-free issues which need to resolved as well.

It's not clear why this particular image is needed per WP:TEXTASIMAGES. The image appears to be being used to support the sentence "Similarly, some railway timetables show 00:00 as departure time and 24:00 as arrival time." , but a non-free image does not seem to be needed for that purpose per WP:NFCC because text is considered acceptable as a free equivalent per WP:FREER. Moreover, there is no specific sourced discussion of this particular file, so the context required by WP:NFCC is not clear. Why does this particular image need to be used? Is this the only example of this type of thing which can be found anywhere in the world? The article says "some railway tables ...." which implies there are others. If an image of one of these others could be added, even as non-free, and serve the same encyclopedic purpose, then the justification for the non-free use of this particular image is not really valid.

The question also is why is any image regardless of copyright status is needed. The non-free use rationale states "cannot make an artefact because information must stem from 'real world'". The rationale also states that the image is from an outdated source. The way the times are presented in tabular form is, I believe, something which can be protected by copyright; however, I'm not sure if the actual expressions of time as numbers itself can be copyrighted. If not, then it seems the relevant content could be expressed as a simple Wikitable and supported by a citation to the source. This is what is typically done for quoted text, which this essentially seems to be.

If the consensus turns out to be that non-free use of this file is justified, then whether it should be reduced should be resolved -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:19, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


 * It's not clear why there could be any objection to using this image. It is just a part of one page out of a 800-page and 25-year old time table. The information does not have potential to compete with the creator's business objectives. This image is needed in the article 24-hour clock to show a real world occurrence of both times 00:00 and 24:00. In the beginning while developing the article 24-hour clock there was substantial opposition to mentioning the time 24:00. People were convinced this particular time designation, as opposed to 00:00, was never used in practice. In order to make crystal clear that the appearance of 24:00 is not just a theoretical possibility, but is used in real life, this image was added (especially since it has both 00:00 and 24:00 on the same page).&minus;Woodstone (talk) 04:03, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think any image, particularly a non-free image, is needed for the reader to understand the content about this in the article. It can be done more than adequately using text and a citation to the relevant source. If this particular timetable was the subject of discussion in reliable sources because of its use of both 00:00 and 24:00 indicating train times, then there would be probably be some justification for it's non-free use; that, however, this does not seem to be the case and the file seems to have been simply added to show one possible example of this. You could simply add information that this format is used (was used?) in train schedules in the Netherlands with a supporting citation. Even if the train schedule book itself is a considered to be a primary source, it should be able to be used for this per WP:PSTS. You appear to be trying to use the image as some sort of "visual citation" for verifying the relevant article content, but that in my opinion is not really how images (especially non-free images) are supposed to be used.-- Marchjuly (talk) 04:55, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Why are you suddenly interfering in an article that contained this image for many years to the satisfaction of the editors and readers there, to whom it represents a valuable addition. Your copyright arguments are extremely vague and not to the point. This image is a tiny fraction of a work that has no business value anymore for the creator. I cannot imagine any real objection from them.&minus;Woodstone (talk) 08:37, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * A non-free image added to an article may go for years until someone questions its non-free justification, so WP:NOBODYCOMPLAINED is not really an good thing to try and argue in an FFD discussion. Moreover, instead of commenting on me, it would be better to try and show how this file's non-free use in the article satisfies all 10 non-free content criteria, in particular WP:NFCC and WP:NFCC. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:00, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - this is adequately explained by text in the article. --Whpq (talk) 15:37, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - A free substitute in Commons can replace this image. Also, per Whpq. --George Ho (talk) 17:29, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per others. Daniel Case (talk) 17:32, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep' - as argued above: real world image needed, and it has no business value for creator.&minus;Woodstone (talk) 17:10, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, the file is redundant (specifically, fails NFCC#1 and #8), as the text already makes the situation very clear. Since it is a published work, it could, of course, be cited as a reference. That, not taking a photo of nonfree work and uploading it, is how we use printed works to verify claims. Seraphimblade Talk to me 17:43, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: fails WP:NFCC. The NFCC don't support a "seeing is believeing" attitude like this. The way we make people believe something is by citing reliable sources. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:56, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
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