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List of starships in Babylon 5

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The result of the discussion was: remove first image from List of starships in Babylon 5, delete the rest. Should the EAS Agamemnon article be merged, the final image can be deleted as a result of this discussion. ℯ xplicit  01:15, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:EAS Agamemnon.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Sullivan.t.j ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).


 * File:B5 blackstar.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Technopaladin ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).


 * File:Sharlin Class Warcruiser.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Lamro ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).


 * File:Valen-class cruiser.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Lamro ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).


 * File:G& ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Lamro ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).


 * File:Babylon 5 - Liandra.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Matthew ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).


 * File:Babylon 5 - Hyperion class.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Matthew ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).


 * File:Babylon 5 - Primus class battle cruiser.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Matthew ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).


 * File:Babylon 5 - White Star.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Matthew ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Various non-free screenshots of starships which appeared in the TV series Babylon 5 being used to illustrate individual list entries in the List of starships in Babylon 5. Generally, WP:NFLISTS does not allow this type of usage because it tends to be decorative and lacks the WP:NFC required by WP:NFCC. I don't think the way these files are being used is an exception to that and don't feel their non-free use is justified. It appears that at one time some of these files may have actually been used in stand-alone articles about the particular ship, but were merged into the list article over time, and the non-free use rationale originally provided is no longer really valid for the new use. Only "File:EAS Agamemnon.jpg" is till being used in EAS Agamemnon. At least at first glance that non-free use appears to be appropriate, so I suggest keep for that stand-alone article about the ship itself but remove from the list article. The merging of the stand-alone article, however, is being proposed and if implemented the file's non-free use justification would no longer be valid in my opinion. As for the other eight files, I suggest delete unless the consensus is that their non-free use in the list article is considered NFCCP compliant. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:04, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Defence Minister A.K. Antony presenting Raksha Mantri Padak to Cadet Arvind Raturi.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Defence Minister A.K. Antony presenting Raksha Mantri Padak to Cadet Arvind Raturi.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by SwatiGupta1986 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

I don't have a Facebook account and can't verify the PD claim, but I can verify that "It is available for public viewing on the facebook profile of concerned person." is not usually a valid PD claim. AntiCompositeNumber (Leave a message) 02:25, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete unless it can be clearly established that this photo is in the public domain or has been released under a free license compatible to WP:L. I don't a way to even possibly justify this as an non-free image since it's primary purpose appears to be decorative in order to simply show the group receiving an award. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:47, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:NCC Mt Everest Expedition 2013 - Team 1 at the summit on 19 May 2013.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:NCC Mt Everest Expedition 2013 - Team 1 at the summit on 19 May 2013.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by SwatiGupta1986 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).


 * File:Arvind Raturi at Everest summit.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by SwatiGupta1986 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

No indication on the either source link provided for these photo that they have been released into the public domain. Publically visible and public domain are completely different things when it comes to copyright matters. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:50, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Der Landser U-boat war by Franz Kurowski.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: at. ℯ xplicit  00:31, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Der Landser U-boat war by Franz Kurowski.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by K.e.coffman ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The fair use rationale for this image has been challenged, hence I'm nominating it for discussion. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:16, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as uploader. I believe that fair use rationale is justified in this case for Franz Kurowski, as it significantly enhances the reader's understanding of the topic of "Landser-pulp" literature that the subject of the article produced. The subject has fashioned himself as a "historian", but it's much clearer from the image that this piece is strictly militaria literature aimed at those interested in details of uniforms, insignia, etc. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:18, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per the reasons I gave at File talk:Der Landser U-boat war by Franz Kurowski.jpg (I tagged the file with di-disputed fair use rationale but the uploader moved it here for further discussion). I just want to add that however the author fashions himself is not really relevant to the non-free use of this image. It is, however, possible that some of the photos used by Kurowski in his books are public domain images and there's a whole category of WWII German submarine images found at c:Category:World War II submarines of Germany and sinking ships found in c:Category:Sinking ships, which might be used if desired. The way the images are arrange by Kurowski is likely copyrightable as a WP:Derivative work even if the images he used are PD. Showing this particular images does not prove that Kurowski is not a "historian"; it simply shows that he used some WWII photos and other imagery in this book, and the reader certainly does not need to see a non-free image of the inner page of a book to understand such a thing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:29, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Paradise By2.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Paradise By2.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Deoma12 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Additional album cover of Paradise (By2 album). Not discussed whatsoever on the article. Fails both WP:NFCCP #3a and #8. Majora (talk) 03:32, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:By2 Paradise Devil Edition.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:By2 Paradise Devil Edition.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by By2YuMiko ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Additional album cover of Paradise (By2 album). Not discussed whatsoever on the article. Fails both WP:NFCCP #3a and #8. Majora (talk) 03:33, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Cat and Mouse Album Photo.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Cat and Mouse Album Photo.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by By2YuMiko ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Additional album cover of Cat and Mouse (By2 album). Not discussed whatsoever on the article. Fails both WP:NFCCP #3a and #8. Majora (talk) 03:35, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:ChartWET.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:ChartWET.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Terrymurphy000 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Definitely a copyright violation. The uploader has claimed to be the author and has slapped a CC-BY-3.0 license on the image, but this images seems to be a screenshot, taken from an old version of http://www.laplink.com/index.php/individuals/pcmover-for-windows.  Fleet  Command ( Speak your mind! ) 07:53, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Spinningtales.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Spinningtales.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by The Oriccle ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Unused book cover. Derivative work. Actually it's copyrighted, and mislicensed.

Also these files by the same uploader, with the same problem:
 * File:Thehappywarrior.jpg
 * File:Child of Destiny.jpg
 * File:Whowillcry.jpg
 * File:Kiwisummerslam.jpg
 * File:Kiwigunners.jpg
 * File:Withourboysinvietnam.jpg
 * File:Subritzkyshipping.jpg
 * File:Spirit of ANZAC.jpg
 * File:Vietnam Scrapbook.jpg

XXN, 10:28, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Eurovision 2016.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Eurovision 2016.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by AXBM ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Screenshots of Eurovision TV show contest. Derivative works of non-free content.

Also these files by the same uploader, with the same problem:
 * File:Spokesperson 2015.jpg
 * File:Eurovision 2015.jpg
 * File:Eurovision 2014.jpg

XXN, 10:39, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Warisshah.jpeg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Warisshah.jpeg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Shemaroo ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Unwikilike, obsolete and low quality Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:21, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Little Cookie.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Little Cookie.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Mitchamz ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Uploading user has an apparently incomplete understanding of what copyright is and how fair use works. They obviously did not take this photograph as it is a school picture and the subject graduated in 1964. They therefore cannot release the rights as claimed and as this person is apparently still living fair use does not apply either. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:49, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Wilbur Mitcham.JPG
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Wilbur Mitcham.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Mitchamz ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

I think it is fairly obvious that this is not the uploader's own work and they did not have authority to release the rights, so i it were transferred to commons it would probably be deleted. That is not desirable as this person is deceased. Without knowing the source of the image I'm not sure what WP:FUR would be acceptable. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:03, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:DukesWinfred.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:DukesWinfred.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Mitchamz ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Uploader has a history of copyright violations, and it seems unlikely they really were the creator of this obviously old image. As the subject is still alive and apparently active in politics it seems that it is entirely possible that an actual free image could be obtained Beeblebrox (talk) 18:07, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:CSM Rasor.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:CSM Rasor.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Mitchamz ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Obviously a professionally taken photograph in front of a backdrop. No evidence of permission, no indication who this even is, not is use anywhere on Wikipedia. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:09, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The image is probably PD-USGov, but I can't find it anywhere online to verify. The image was previously used in Barney B. Rasor, which was deleted as non-notable at AfD back in 2009. Therefore, this low-quality file isn't useful on the English Wikipedia. I'm not sure Commons would want it either, so Delete. --AntiCompositeNumber (Leave a message) 19:39, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Downtown South Bend.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F7 by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:02, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Downtown South Bend.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by JJL56 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This is a city skyline used to identify the city in an infobox. It is almost certain that equally relevant free content could be created, so this fails WP:NFCC. RL0919 (talk) 20:10, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete I'm not buying that fair-use rationale, as the nom says a free equivalent could be created. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:22, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:SeaSurfaceDensity.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:03, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:SeaSurfaceDensity.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by LollyBear12 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Converted from speedy to FfD. Original nominator was Rracecarr, reason given was: "The density data is nowhere close to correct. Whole areas of the open ocean are shown as clearly having density less than 1016 kg/m3"  F ASTILY   20:42, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Wasn't sure what the appropriate tag was.  The colorbar is way off.  Open ocean surface density is >= 1020 kg/m^3.  I can provide any number of references for this.  Here's one from NASA: . This image depicts large regions of the ocean as having a density of <1010 kg/m^3.  It is not just a bit off, it's way out of whack.  Seems to come from, which is also in error. Rracecarr (talk) 01:51, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Oilgasstandards.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:03, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Oilgasstandards.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Baudoin1 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

unused logo (originally used in a now deleted advert), no encyclopedic use  F ASTILY   20:45, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:BitcoinCloud v3.1 Detail.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:03, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:BitcoinCloud v3.1 Detail.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Artwanker ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

possible derivative of non-free content (artwork)  F ASTILY   20:47, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Acosta.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Acosta.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Marine678 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Photo is not a works of the U.S. government, but a works of Florida International University School of Law. Corkythe hornetfan  (ping me) 20:48, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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