Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2017 December 27



File:The Ludlows.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:30, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:The Ludlows.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Grandpa152 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Probable Flickr-washing. It's unlikely the uploader to Flickr owns the copyright. ~ Rob 13 Talk 00:38, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Eamonn Campbell Live.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:30, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Eamonn Campbell Live.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Grandpa152 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Likely Flickr-washing. Wide collection of uploaded images from different eras and with different cameras. ~ Rob 13 Talk 00:40, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 02:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Sean Cannon Live.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:30, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Sean Cannon Live.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Grandpa152 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Likely Flickr-washing. Wide collection of uploaded images from different eras and with different cameras. ~ Rob 13 Talk 00:41, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 02:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Twinsun vectors.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:30, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Twinsun vectors.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by OperaJoeGreen ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The image was used in a footnote of Binary stars in fiction. I removed the footnote because it was irrelevant WP:OR. It is now orphaned. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 05:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 02:29, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Jonathan Sackner-Bernstein at TEDxBrussels 2014.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Jonathan Sackner-Bernstein at TEDxBrussels 2014.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Jonathansb ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

tagged OTRS permission insufficient for nearly a year; after reading through the ticket, I think it is unlikely permission will ever be confirmed  F ASTILY   06:53, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Kurt Pudniks portrait Cairns QLD 2016 (photo by Jen Frei).jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:03, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Kurt Pudniks portrait Cairns QLD 2016 (photo by Jen Frei).jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Skinduptruk ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

tagged OTRS permission insufficient for nearly a year; after reading through the ticket, I think it is unlikely permission will ever be confirmed  F ASTILY   06:55, 27 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The last action on the support ticket was as recent as 3 months ago (Sep 2017). The unresolved issue of copyright ownership for the photo remains in discussion between the subject of the photo (the client) and the commissioned photographer (the author).


 * Here is some text from the relevant Australian copyright law that suggests the subject of the portrait holds the copyright (to be confirmed in further discussions and by consensus review):


 * COPYRIGHT ACT 1968

- SECT 34 Duration of copyright in anonymous and pseudonymous works

(1) Subject to subsection (2), if the first publication of a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work is anonymous or pseudonymous, any copyright subsisting in the work by virtue of this Part continues to subsist until the end of the period of 70 years after the end of the calendar year in which the work was first published.

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply in relation to a work if, at any time before the end of the period referred to in that subsection, the identity of the author of the work is generally known or can be ascertained by reasonable inquiry.

COPYRIGHT ACT 1968 - SECT 35 Ownership of copyright in original works

(1) This section has effect subject to Parts VII and X.

(2) Subject to this section, the author of a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work is the owner of any copyright subsisting in the work by virtue of this Part.

(3) The operation of any of the next three succeeding subsections in relation to copyright in a particular work may be excluded or modified by agreement.

(4) If a literary, dramatic or artistic work:

(a) is made by the author under the terms of his or her employment by the proprietor of a newspaper, magazine or similar periodical under a contract of service or apprenticeship; and

(b) is so made for the purpose of inclusion in a newspaper, magazine or similar periodical;

the following paragraphs apply:

(c) the author is the owner of the copyright only in so far as the copyright relates to:

(i) reproduction of the work for the purpose of inclusion in a book; or

(ii) reproduction of the work in the form of a hard copy facsimile (other than a hard copy facsimile made as part of a process of transmission) made from a paper edition of, or from another hard copy facsimile made from a paper edition of, an issue of the newspaper, magazine or similar periodical, but not including reproduction by the proprietor for a purpose connected with the publication of the newspaper, magazine or similar periodical;

(d) except as provided by paragraph (c), the proprietor is the owner of the copyright.

(5) Subject to the last preceding subsection, where: (a)  a person makes, for valuable consideration, an agreement with another person for the taking of a photograph for a private or domestic purpose, the painting or drawing of a portrait or the making of an engraving by the other person; and (b)  the work is made in pursuance of the agreement; the first-mentioned person is the owner of any copyright subsisting in the work by virtue of this Part, but, if at the time the agreement was made that person made known, expressly or by implication, to the author of the work the purpose for which the work was required, the author is entitled to restrain the doing, otherwise than for that purpose, of any act comprised in the copyright in the work.

(6) Where a literary, dramatic or artistic work to which neither of the last two preceding subsections applies, or a musical work, is made by the author in pursuance of the terms of his or her employment by another person under a contract of service or apprenticeship, that other person is the owner of any copyright subsisting in the work by virtue of this Part.

(7) In this section:

"hard copy facsimile ", in relation to a literary, dramatic or artistic work, means a facsimile which is in a material form and from which the work is visible to a human being without the use of any device. "private or domestic purpose " includes a portrait of family members, a wedding party or children.
 * - Skinduptruk (talk) 18:17, 1 January 2018 (UTC).
 * Yes, the last OTRS agent response on 2017041610002018 was 3 months ago, informing the sender that no-derivative licenses are prohibited on Wikipedia and that the permission must be sent by the copyright holder (i.e. Jen Frei). Unless you have new developments to share, this ticket is as good as stale.  Also: no idea why you copied the Australian copyright act; it's not relevant to this ticket and/or discussion.  -  F ASTILY   07:07, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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File:Tauschtafelplan.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:05, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Tauschtafelplan.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Scope creep ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Associated OTRS ticket does not seem to mention this file. It's possible that we're missing evidence of permission for it. F ASTILY  06:59, 27 December 2017 (UTC)


 * This was bundled in the second OTRS ticked as well, after I had to contact Michael Hörenberg twice. scope_creep (talk) 09:17, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * See my reply below. There's no clear permission from the copyright holder for this one either in that ticket. -  F ASTILY   21:42, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Xulfi-main.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:30, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Xulfi-main.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Graphicalx ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

tagged OTRS permission insufficient for nearly a year; after reading through the ticket, I think it is unlikely permission will ever be confirmed  F ASTILY   06:59, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Susser in 2017.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:31, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Susser in 2017.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by LUKSAR ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

tagged OTRS permission insufficient for nearly a year; after reading through the ticket, I think it is unlikely permission will ever be confirmed  F ASTILY   07:00, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Reservehandverfahren Booklet.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:05, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Reservehandverfahren Booklet.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Scope creep ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Associated OTRS ticket does not seem to mention this file. It's possible that we're missing evidence of permission for it. F ASTILY  07:01, 27 December 2017 (UTC)


 * What is the problem withi this? It is licensed. I had to contact Micheal twice. The first time, the OTRS ticket was rejected, and it took some time to contact his again. He filled in the details himself, and posted it. Here is the link to the original image: scope_creep (talk) 09:14, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm only seeing explicit permission for File:Zuteilungsliste From Kenngruppen.jpg in 2017082410001471. This file is mentioned in 2016123110006071 but there isn't any confirmation from the copyright holder.  Is there another ticket # involved?  Also pinging @BU Rob13 @DeltaQuad -  F ASTILY   21:40, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * While the ticket you mentioned doesn't mention this file, 2016123110006071 contains it in the first item. I think 2017082410001471 can be taken as validation that the original message we were forwarded was valid (which I believed from the beginning of course, scope creep, but have to verify). The original forwarded statement is a license release for all three images including this one, valid except for the fact it was forwarded. I think we can mark this as permission confirmed and call it a day. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 22:11, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The three files, were bundled together, because they are a single subject, namely the process to encode a message in the Enigma naval cipher machine. They are all used to determine how it's going to be encoded on the day. scope_creep (talk) 22:56, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Ray Price jazz drummer.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:31, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Ray Price jazz drummer.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Buntus00 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

tagged OTRS permission insufficient for nearly a year, missing a ticket number, seems unlikely permission will ever be confirmed  F ASTILY   07:01, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, essentially orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 02:29, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Owen E Evans letter confirming H A Evans&
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:31, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Owen E Evans letter confirming H A Evans&#39; work on the 1988 Welsh Bible.jpg">File:Owen E Evans letter confirming H A Evans& ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Welshdick ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

unused, unclear copyright status; after reading through the associated OTRS ticket, it's unclear/unverifiable whether the copyright holder has actually consented to release the work into the public domain  F ASTILY   07:05, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 02:28, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Mishima-Ushi(Bos taurus).jpg
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:31, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Mishima-Ushi(Bos taurus).jpg">File:Mishima-Ushi(Bos taurus).jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Loweredtone ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

tagged OTRS permission insufficient for nearly a year; after reading through the ticket, I think it is unlikely permission will ever be confirmed  F ASTILY   07:06, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Janaki Ammal Younger picture.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:31, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Janaki Ammal Younger picture.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Nagarjun53 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

tagged OTRS permission insufficient for nearly a year; after reading through the ticket, I think it is unlikely permission will ever be confirmed  F ASTILY   07:07, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Janaki Ammal standing in snow.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:31, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Janaki Ammal standing in snow.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Nagarjun53 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

tagged OTRS permission insufficient for nearly a year; after reading through the ticket, I think it is unlikely permission will ever be confirmed  F ASTILY   07:07, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Karlton Hester.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:31, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Karlton Hester.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Nhutchison ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

tagged OTRS permission insufficient for nearly a year; after reading through the ticket, I think it is unlikely permission will ever be confirmed  F ASTILY   07:08, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:DY Training.jpeg
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:31, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:DY Training.jpeg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Brazilian Tiger ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

tagged OTRS permission insufficient for nearly a year; after reading through the associated ticket, it seems unlikely that permission will be confirmed  F ASTILY   07:09, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Dy wiki.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:32, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Dy wiki.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Brazilian Tiger ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

tagged OTRS permission insufficient for nearly a year; after reading through the associated ticket, it seems unlikely that permission will be confirmed  F ASTILY   07:09, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 02:28, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:SUAS - Aeryon Scout.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:03, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:SUAS - Aeryon Scout.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by R2parikh ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Licensing claim is contradictory; there is no copyright notice on the "previously published on http://aeryon.com/" and the user appears to have been editing on behalf of their company. See also: Ich (talk) 09:46, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Aries Telecoms (M) Berhad Malaysia.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:03, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Aries Telecoms (M) Berhad Malaysia.jpg">File:Aries Telecoms (M) Berhad Malaysia.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Kumaranurag97 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

I've uploaded a png version to the Commons, File:Aries Telecoms logo.png, so this jpg version has no further use and can be deleted in my opinion. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:46, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You can use for this kind of request.- Ich (talk) 15:34, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * No I can't. One file is a jpg and one is a png, so F8 does not apply, as the files are not identical. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 15:49, 27 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete, redundant to PNG file. Salavat (talk) 02:27, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
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File:Redbone1971.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:03, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Redbone1971.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Yintan ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Licensing page says images are CC-BY-SA 3.0 if explicitly stated in the description on the file. Not the case here. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 16:17, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:03, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Redbone1971 b.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Yintan ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Licensing page says images are CC-BY-SA 3.0 if explicitly stated in the description on the file. Not the case here. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 16:17, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The photos are in black and white and could probably be replaced by color images, since they were taken in 1971. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 19:28, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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