Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2017 March 31



File:Cisco Press logo.png

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The result of the discussion was: relisted on. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:37, 8 April 2017 (UTC)


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File:Abhijith P.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  22:07, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Abhijith P.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Amithvpurushothaman ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Image is put under a false license. The site itself says all rights reserved thus it is a non-free image. Not sure any of the speedy tags could apply. Saku ura Cart elet  Talk 15:01, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
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File:SwAMI Potti poyyalo.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:03, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * File:SwAMI Potti poyyalo.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Luigi1337 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Image is claimed as own work but appears to be a derivative of the image used in this blog post with an apartment building pasted into the image. This is both a problem from a copyright standpoint as well as a problem with misrepresentation. Whpq (talk) 17:34, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
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File:O-i logo.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:03, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * File:O-i logo.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Glasscity09 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Delete? I have replaced this JPEG with a PNG, File:Owens-Illinois logo.png, so it now is not used in its original article and does not meet its original NFCC non-free use rationale. User:GKFXtalk 18:08, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
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File:Abel Salazar.png

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Needs a better explanation of why that rationale is supposedly inadequate Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:39, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Abel Salazar.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by FiccionesFicciones ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Fair use rationale is inadequate. Uploader claims it is fair use because the subject is dead and the image is being used for identification. Mr. Guye (talk) 20:20, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
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File:Argonauta awaensis.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:03, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Argonauta awaensis.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Mgiganteus1 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Link to source is dead. Rationale inadequate. Mr. Guye (talk) 20:25, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
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File:Lal bio shot.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:03, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Lal bio shot.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Roselal ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Uploader claims to be copyright holder. The photographer is attributed as Calvin Hwang. We would need WP:OTRS confirmation of a transfer of copyright. Whpq (talk) 21:02, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
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File:Heinlein-competent-man-quote.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:03, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Heinlein-competent-man-quote.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Kazvorpal ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This is an image version of a copyrighted text. I do not see how fair-use can be justified and it certainly isn't free, as claimed. Mangoe (talk) 22:12, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NFCC: text is a free equivalent of a non-free image as explained in WP:FREER. There's no reason for a non-free image of a quote to be used when the quote might be able to be added per MOS:QUOTE and WP:TEXTASIMAGES. This probably could've been tagged for speedy deletion per rfu. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:18, 1 April 2017 (UTC); [Post edited by Marchjuly to remove unnecessary parts. -- 15:30, 1 April 2017 (UTC)] [Post edited again by Marchjuly to remove strike since this quote does seem to be fair use per q:WQ:COPY. -- 03:01, 4 April 2017 (UTC)]
 * "There's no need for X" isn't really a valid argument, here. You can argue that almost every graphic in every article, other than the first image, and maybe pics of artist paintings or such, are unnecessary. Look at tomato. All they really need is one pic of the plant, and one pic of a range of tomatoes, and the rest are really just making the article more interesting. — Kaz (talk) 20:51, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERIMAGE and WP:DELETEALL are not really valid arguements at FFD. This is an image created to show written text; it's not an image file created to show an specific object such as a painting or even a tomato. Why is an image/graphic of written text needed when you simply can add the written text itself to the article per MOS:QUOTE or WP:LONGQUOTE for the reasons explained in WP:MOS? There are other quotes being used throughout the article and they are all in expressed in written text. There is a numbered list being used in Robert A. Heinlein being expressed as text. How is this any different? What makes it necessary for this particular text to be in the form of an image? -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No, WP:OTHERIMAGE and WP:DELETEALL completely apply, because you are demanding that all images have some special, unique function. In fact, you're using one of the very arguments that caused people to write up DELETEALL. I remember it. That the text of the quotation can be shown as plain text is irrelevant to whether the image performs an interesting, useful, or informative function. There are many things that can be done more than one way in Wikipedia. That doesn't mean only the Lowest Common Denominator way should be used. That other quotes are being used as written text, obviously, does not establish that all must be. If anything, it's an argument against it, in order to have diversity in presentation. You are making no argument that there is anything wrong or harmful with the graphic, only that you think it's not absolutely necessary to present it in that way. This is not a valid grounds for deletion, in any context. — Kaz (talk) 21:17, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You may feel that the image performs an interesting, useful, or informative function, but I and the nominator disagree. That doesn't mean we're right; it just means we disagree. If you are able to establish a consensus for your position, then the file will be kept; if not, it may be deleted. The admin who closes this will read all the comments, evaluate them accordingly, and decide. It's not strictly a numbers game per se, but rather which side's position is judged to be best in accordance with relevant policies or guidelines. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:03, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, you have that backward. In order to delete it, YOU need to establish a consensus. Otherwise the file stays. It's really not my burden to prove that it's important enough, but yours to prove that it's somehow detrimental. I know how this works, I've watched the process evolve over the past 13 years. — Kaz (talk) 01:17, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The image you created is yours to license as you please, but the quoted text itself may be copyrighted, which would seem to make the image a derivative work. Even if it's being used as fair use on Wikiquote or other websites, it is treated as non-free content on Wikipedia. Wikipedia's non-free content policy is purposely stricter that the US concept of fair use as explained in WP:NFC. So, if the image is considered non-free content, then the burden is upon the person wanting to use the content to show how the use satisfies relevant policy. This is clearly stated in the instructions to WP:FFD and in WP:NFCCE. The contention of the nominator is that this quote is copyrighted text. That was also the opinion at WP:MCQ. Can you explain your reasons why you think this particular quote is not protected by copyright? q:WQ:COPY says the nature of the copyrighted work is something which needs to be taken into account. This particular quote is taken from Heinlein's Time Enough for Love (according to q:Time Enough for Love). Do you have any reason to believe that that novel is still not protected by copyright? -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:16, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It is a quotation, one you can find on Wikiquotes. Doesn't that make it fair use? If not, then all of Wikiquotes is illegal, neh? The image certainly is free, I made it myself. — Kaz (talk) 14:36, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - There is no need for using an image to represent the text. -- Whpq (talk) 00:26, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:NFCC/WP:FREER. It has been explained by above why this image is a derivative work and consequently not free. It's also irrelevant whether this passes the fair use in U.S. copyright law or not; what we are dealing with here is Wikipedia's Non-free content policy that is purposely stricter. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:12, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
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File:Fernando Castiella.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  10:03, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Fernando Castiella.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Paliano ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Delete. Replaced by File:AR8168-A. President John F. Kennedy with Foreign Minister of Spain, Fernando María Castiella (cropped).jpg. Discasto (talk) 22:47, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
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