Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 November 5



File:Fiio f9.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  06:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Fiio f9.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Dmatteng ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Most likely flickrwashing - the account was created a few days ago and these look like promo images. (Google finds numerous uses of this image.) Not speedying it outright because maybe the Flickr account is an official FiiO account? (It is subtitled "FiiO Lily".) In order to keep the image, we would need to find this Flickr account linked to or referenced from the official fiio website, twitter feed, etc. B (talk) 01:49, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete unless Flickrwashing concerns can be addressed and consent of copyright holder to release image under such a license can be verified by OTRS per WP:PERMISSION. Just for reference, I don't think this can be converted to non-free content per WP:NFCC since the design of the headphones/earbuds appears to be fairly utilitarian (at least in my opinion) which means that the design itself is not eligible for copyright protection; so, anyone can basically take a photo of the headphones and upload it as free equivalent to serve the same encyclopedic purpose as any non-free one. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:31, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep It is somewhat frivolous nomination. The nominator could show some courtesy and leave me a note on my talkpage first and I might have addressed his concerns successfully. The main reason he nominated it is because the Flickr account of FiiO PR whose name is Lily was created few days ago. What happened is that I asked FiiO to post the photos on Flickr so that I could use them for the Wikipedia article about their F9 earbuds. It seems they didn't have an account on Flickr prior to that, so they opened an account and uploaded the photos. Few things that speak in my favor: Google search on "Fiio Lily" shows that indeed there is a person with such name working for FiiO. Such as: https://www.fiio.com/newsinfo/72814.html "..Lily from Fiio.."
 * If I would have wanted to whitewashed the image, I would have certainly uploaded it with CC-BY license. The CC0 license is awkward to work with and I never worked with this license before, I had to spend some time to find an appropriate template and history of F9 image will show that I got it right only after several attempts. In the past I did the same for UE 900 article about Logitech's earbud, they uploaded images with CC-BY and it worked flawlessly. Also, the reason I asked them to upload the images is because I couldn't find any image for F9 with appropriate rights and I don't have access to F9 to take a photo by myself. Also, if I wanted to whitewash an image, I would be unlikely to waste time to search for all available images of F9 from FiiO, to save each of them and then to upload them to Flickr.
 * To proceed with OTRS will lead to a significant time waste of many people who will need to become involved: I'll need to write to FiiO and tell them about this issue. Since they are not that fluent in English I'll need to spend time to explain it to them. I had to send them 7 e-mails till they got the upload on Flickr right with a license that I could use the image on the Wikipedia, it took me one week.
 * OTRS have a backlog and the Wikipedia volunteers will need to spend time to deal with this issue as well.
 * Just imagine if every image uploaded to Wikipedia via Flickr would be nominated for deletion discussion without a significant reason? It would lead to a huge waste of time for the discussions and the OTRS backlog would become enormous.
 * To conclude, in my opinion this issue is minor and shouldn't lead to hours of time waste of people. The main reason for nomination is the time-frame of the Flickr account and I hope I have explained it. Dmatteng (talk) 18:01, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I tried to explain why OTRS is often required for things like this at User talk:Marchjuly and also why I don't think 's nomination of the file was inappropriate. Flickrwashing is a concern that sometimes needs to be dealt with; otherwise, there wouldn't be an entire page devoted to it on Commons. Thank you for confirming that is not the case this time around, but I still think it's OTRS verification is a good idea. If it takes a bit of time to do that, then it takes a bit of time. You created Fiio F9, but it's not going to be deleted if it doesn't have an infobox image. If the product was introduced in 2017 (it's categorized as such), then it went without a Wikipedia article until October 2018 and then went without an infobox image for about a month after it was created; so, not sure why getting the licensing properly verified is such a big deal time wise. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:47, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
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File:DweckTheLastRace.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  06:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * File:DweckTheLastRace.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Avian appreciator ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

https://www.flickr.com/photos/10372953@N02/45473180132/ is a restricted flickr URL and so the license cannot be validated. (CC-BY-SA-4.0 is most certainly wrong anyway since that's not even a choice.) B (talk) 01:53, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi B, thanks for your notice. For the license, click "some rights reserved" at bottom right of the flickr page and it says "Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 Generic (CC BY-SA 2.0)." The upload wizard gave me only a few options and this was the closest. I don't have a flickr account anymore, so I can't say if or how the url itself might be restricted other than that it loads fine on my end. Maybe try logging out?Avian appreciator (talk) 10:47, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Even when I am logged in to my flickr account, I get the 403 error. If I go to https://www.flickr.com/people/10372953@N02/ it says "mdweck1 hasn't made any photos public yet".  Is this an actual photo or is it a screenshot from a film?  If it's a screenshot from the film, do the rights even belong to him personally and not to Magnolia Pictures? --B (talk) 13:12, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Having gone online again, now the link isn't loading for me either; I am also getting a 403 message. Most confusing is that it looks to be a different flickr site from Dweck's main one. so who knows if it's even him. This on top of the question of who owns the rights to screenshots from the film, and I agree with you that this must be a screenshot. Deleting it would seem the best course of action. If the license is legitimate maybe it will turn up somewhere else with a clearer provenance and we can worry about it then. Plenty of images available with no such problems.Avian appreciator (talk) 09:19, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
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Uploads by Mull0329

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The result of the discussion was: relisted on 2018 November 13. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:06, 13 November 2018 (UTC)


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File:AdamWyant.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  06:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * File:AdamWyant.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Pennsylvania Penguin ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The uploader may have gotten this from FindaGrave, but there's no indication where they got it from or when it was first published. The subject died in 1935, and so there's plenty of time for this to have been published after 1923. Whether it was, and whether the copyright was renewed if this was the case, we can't really tell AFAIK without knowing what publication it came from. G M G talk  17:21, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
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File:Hebertneri.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  06:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Hebertneri.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Jsmithn22 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

no verified permission from MF Global or Hebert Neri. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:03, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
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File:Premier Inn logo.svg
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The result of the discussion was: Relicense(d) to non-free. Cute half moon, by the way. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:07, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Premier Inn logo.svg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Benstown ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Not simple shapes. Deleted from commons c:File:Premier Inn Logo 2017.png, on 24 April 2017 as "not simple enough". Needs to be "fair use" to stay <b style="border:1px solid #dfdfdf;color:green; padding:1px 3px;background:#FFD">Ron h jones </b>(Talk) 20:49, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, definitely not before the TOO. Licensing has been changed to non-free logo and a fair use added. Salavat (talk) 23:47, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry! Clear mistake. Most logos I had been uploading are plain text, so I inadvertently used the PD template. Obviously not free. --Ben Stone 06:19, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
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