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File:Jabal ad Dayt

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The result of the discussion was: Image does not exist. If the file name in the header contains a typo, feel free to correct the typo and un-close this discussion. AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:03, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Jabal ad Dayt ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by John Carter ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Fails WP:V, GEOLAND and GNG. Pin points to a location offshore of Sharm. Which is an interesting place to find a mountain. Although a 66ft high mountain is itself a novel idea... Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:35, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
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File:Logo of Amul The Taste of India, May 2018.svg

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The result of the discussion was: convert to fair use. ℯ xplicit 04:54, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Logo of Amul The Taste of India, May 2018.svg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by JustinJohnsonBagPack ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This doesn't look like a non-copyrightable file and there is no evidence that the user has the right to license it. Take also note of the block reason. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:37, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, clearly mis-licensed. I have changed the licensing to non-free logo and added a fair use. Salavat (talk) 03:35, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, agree that it was mis-licensed. Salavat has already changed the licensing to non-free logo, the image can now be kept. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  13:32, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
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File:Logo of Fastrack Fashion Accessories, May 2018.png

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The result of the discussion was: convert to fair use. ℯ xplicit 04:54, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Logo of Fastrack Fashion Accessories, May 2018.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by JustinJohnsonBagPack ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

There is no evidence that the now-blocked uploader has the rights to license this logo which looks copyrightable to me. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:39, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, clearly mis-licensed. I have changed the licensing to non-free logo and added a fair use. Salavat (talk) 03:37, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, agree that it was mis-licensed. Salavat has already changed the licensing to non-free logo, the image can now be kept for its own article. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  13:33, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
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File:Logo of Himalaya, May 2018.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Logo of Himalaya, May 2018.png">File:Logo of Himalaya, May 2018.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by JustinJohnsonBagPack ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

There is no evidence that the now-blocked uploader has the rights to license this logo which may be copyrightable. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:39, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 03:41, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, Non free image with expired free use rationale since a File:Logo of Himalaya - The Drug Company.svg new logo is now uploaded to Wikipedia. The author has uploaded a bunch of copyrighted logos, so he may not be expected to be the owner of these logos to release as free image. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  13:26, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
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File:Logo of Wildcraft Accessories,May 2018.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Logo of Wildcraft Accessories,May 2018.png">File:Logo of Wildcraft Accessories,May 2018.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by JustinJohnsonBagPack ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

There is no evidence that the now-blocked uploader has the rights to license this logo which looks copyrightable to me. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:39, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 03:42, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, Non free image with expired free use rationale since a File:Logo of Wildcraft Accessories.svg another more recent logo was uploaded to Wikipedia by same author. We can keep only 1. The author has uploaded a bunch of copyrighted logos, so he may not be expected to be the owner of these logos to release as free image.-- D Big X ray ᗙ  13:36, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
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File:Logo of Piramal, May 2008.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Logo of Piramal, May 2008.png">File:Logo of Piramal, May 2008.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by JustinJohnsonBagPack ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

There is no evidence that the now-blocked uploader has the rights to license this logo which looks copyrightable to me. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:39, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 03:42, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, Non free image with expired free use rationale since a File:Official logo of Piramal Enterprises and Group.svg another more recent logo was uploaded to Wikipedia by same author. We can keep only 1. The author has uploaded a bunch of copyrighted logos, so he may not be expected to be the owner of these logos to release as free image. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  13:27, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
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File:Vignelli NYC Subway map 2008.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Reduce the size. Consensus is clearly in favour of at least some resizing. No consensus on a relicense. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:00, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Vignelli NYC Subway map 2008.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Ɱ ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).


 * File:Vignelli 1972.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Ɱ ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

4MPixel non-free images needs community agreement to remain. I strongly suspect that these may be the biggest NF images in Wikipedia. I also wonder if we actually need two such images <b style="border:1px solid #dfdfdf;color:green; padding:1px 3px;background:#FFD">Ron h jones </b>(Talk) 15:53, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * 4MB is tiny compared to most photos... many of my photographs are gigabytes in size... Regardless, the text and font in the images (maps) are unmistakably relevant to the notability of the iconic stylized maps, and parts of the text are actually also the subject of discussion in Massimo Vignelli's article. ɱ  (talk) · vbm  · coi) 20:22, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Not tiny for non-free - quote from WP:NFC  <b style="border:1px solid #dfdfdf;color:green; padding:1px 3px;background:#FFD">Ron h jones </b>(Talk) 20:55, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * We're looking at pixel count, not file size. 4MP = 4 million pixels. Non-free generally aimed to be 0.1 MP or less.
 * As for illustrating Vignelli's article, you can use closeups of the maps that are closer to 0.1MP, as used in this article, and have external links to the full versions (or even here external media to use in the body of the article. --M asem (t) 17:59, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

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 * Fails WP:NFCC. The options are to reduce to thumbnail size, use closeups, or delete. 's idea makes the most sense. No opinion on how many images we need (WP:NFCC). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:37, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * A portion will not suffice, you're wrong. This is an artwork; it wouldn't be right to only show portions of a Picasso work just because it resembles the whole. Your argument is basically like having this photo at 50px or showing only the top right corner of it; it's a useless and poor representation of a work of art. ɱ  (talk) · vbm  · coi) 17:33, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 06:22, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I gave three options. If you don't like the idea of portions, you'll have to settle for a thumbnail. The default thumbnail size on Wikipedia is 220px. Given the nature of the work, it can be rendered at a larger size. The first map is currently rendered at upright=1.3, so apparently someone thinks that's enough. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 06:55, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * That's your opinion here, to choose one of those options. Yet I know that you wouldn't force a thumbnail or portion of some intricately-detailed work of art like Massacre of the Innocents, especially when the details are part of the relevant aspects of discussion in the article. We can make exceptions over this pointless and ridiculous rule. The high-res versions are easily found online! ɱ  (talk) · vbm  · coi) 14:42, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

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 * Reduce per WP:NFCC and per . WP:OTHERIMAGE is not really helpful when trying to justify a partiuclar non-free use; for example, "Massacre of Innocents" is not licensed as non-free content, so it's not subject to Wikipedia's non-free content use policy; this makes any comparison between the two files meaningless from a relevant Wikipedia policy standpoint. At the same time, content found on external websites is also not subject to Wikipedia policies and guidelines, so these websites can host high-resolution content if they choose. If such content can be easily found online and WP:COPYLINK is not an issue, then using External media or adding a WP:EL to the file's page might be possible, but that doesn't mean Wikipedia also needs to host the same high-resolution versions.As for whether two images are needed, I think a stronger case for keeping them would be made if there was more actually sourced critical commentary comparing the two versions, or more actually sourced commentary on how the 2008 version improves on the original in the article than the unsourced claim about Vogue's requirement about preserving spatial relations between stations. I'm not sure to 2008 version needs to be seen just to support those sentences per WP:FREER and WP:NFC; it seems that particular encyclopedic purpose for that would be better served be a direct side-by-side comparison of any parts of the maps were the difference is significant as supported by reliable sources. Basically, the current non-free of 2008 verison seems to expect the reader to closely examine it in comparison to the original and find the differences on their own. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:47, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:39, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm going to favor reducing because closeups was met with opposition and because that would save the images from deletion. I've discussed the merits of these three options above. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:16, 13 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Honestly, can we change the licenses to PD-shape and/or PD-text (PD-textlogo)? There isn't anything here besides simple text, lines, colors, and circles. ɱ  (talk) · vbm  · coi) 16:52, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Not without a thorough analysis. Everything is, in the end, just shapes and colors. The question is, (1) which shapes and colors can be protected to begin with, (2) are there enough elements like that for the entire work to be considered creative. See Commons:Derivative works and Wikilegal/Copyright threshold of originality for logos (mostly about logos but contains a brief discussion on maps, in any case helpful in answering the question about the number of elements). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 11:56, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You're a little excessive. There aren't any unique elements here, and no, lines and circles cannot be copyrighted in something like a logo or map. ɱ  (talk) · vbm  · coi) 15:47, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
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File:2018 Commonwealth Games Gold Coast opening.jpeg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:2018 Commonwealth Games Gold Coast opening.jpeg">File:2018 Commonwealth Games Gold Coast opening.jpeg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Sheffieldgraduate ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Public domain mark does not confer a license. See c:Commons:Requests for comment/Flickr and PD images. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 15:45, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 03:43, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, agree with nom, this image is orphaned with questionable licensing. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  13:37, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
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File:Pedor Manrique&
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:05, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Pedor Manrique&#39;s seal, reverse.PNG">File:Pedor Manrique& ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Srnec ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

See c:COM:ART Magog the Ogre (t • c) 15:55, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete questionable license and already moved to commons File:Pedor Manrique's seal, reverse.PNG -- D Big X ray ᗙ  15:25, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
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File:Nebuly.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:05, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Nebuly.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by C. L. Marquette ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Lacks proof of permission. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 15:56, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 03:43, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned image already moved to commons. c:File:Nebuly.png-- D Big X ray ᗙ  14:04, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
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File:MusicalStones2.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:05, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * File:MusicalStones2.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by JJ-Barnes ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Lacks proof of permission. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 15:57, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete lacks permission, already uploaded to commons File:MusicalStones2.jpg where it is being discussed. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  13:58, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
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File:Manpower Chart.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:05, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Manpower Chart.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by P.K.Niyogi ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Book scan. Copyright belongs to the IISI. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 15:59, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 03:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, copyrighted book scan with no valid fair use rationale. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  13:41, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
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File:San Telmo emblem.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:05, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * File:San Telmo emblem.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Bleff ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The license on this page quotes a law that has nothing to do with copyright. If this is public domain, we need proper licensing to establish this. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 16:39, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete This link shows that this is a copy righted image for personal use only. (on a side note there is a discussion on commons as well. Commons:Deletion requests/File:San Telmo emblem.png -- D Big X ray ᗙ  13:48, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
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