Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 September 18



File:Fire Bugle Call.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Fire Bugle Call.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Jazzmanian ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned sheet music, and incorrect as well according to the file's talk page. ℯ xplicit 04:15, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

fixed image to be correct.Jazzmanian (talk) 15:46, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

also fixed the SVG file, so anyone wanting to put this call into a page can use the SVG. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bugle_Calls_Fire.svg Jazzmanian (talk) 16:22, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, redundant to SVG file. Salavat (talk) 06:38, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
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File:Nuclear power is not healthy poster.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. OK, no rationale submitted so "delete" it is. If people can provide one they can ask for undeletion on WP:REFUND. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:22, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Nuclear power is not healthy poster.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Cheapthrill ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

WP:NFCC, free images of the movement exist and are already in use at Anti-nuclear movement in the United States. The poster itself is not the subject of sourced critical commentary, failing WP:NFCC. – Laundry Pizza 03  ( d c&#x0304; ) 10:58, 10 September 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To see if someone can come up with a valid WP:NFCC rationale; as it stands this FFD would be closed as "delete".
 * Keep There was more than one movement, each produced its own posters. This "children and other living things" poster is from the middle ground: a historically significant group and deserving coverage, but not as widely known as the "No thanks" posters. It would be an editorially bad decision for WP to present the movements as a single group, united behind a single banner. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:26, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * if the poster itself is historically significant, then that needs to be cited and discussed somewhere. As it is, the poster is just being used decoratively where any anti-nuclear poster would serve the same purpose.  --B (talk) 02:06, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

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File:BJPenn2.png

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The result of the discussion was: relisted on. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 05:50, 4 October 2018 (UTC)


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File:Mello-Yello-Fountain-Burger-King-Marquette-MI.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Mello-Yello-Fountain-Burger-King-Marquette-MI.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Mrmiscellanious~enwiki ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Previously tagged as F4 (no source) but was advised this was the incorrect approach, for pre 2012 uploads. Treat as own work despite the product logos included? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:22, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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File:Abelard Sign.JPG
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The result of the discussion was: relisted on. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:23, 26 September 2018 (UTC)


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File:Larry Sharpe, Libertarian.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by AnomieBOT ⚡  12:04, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Larry Sharpe, Libertarian.jpg">File:Larry Sharpe, Libertarian.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Ghoul flesh ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The current file was already subject of a discussion, but the two previous files in the history ... do we have a license statement for them as well? Paging Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:09, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * There are three photos in the history. The first (with the gray brick background) was uploaded 18:17, 17 March 2018 (UTC). The second (with the black background) was uploaded with a comment mentioning https://i.imgur.com/2bSJXli.png 11 minutes later at 18:28. The third, a crop of the second, was uploaded two minutes after that at 18:30. The OTRS ticket originated four days later, on 21 March. The ticket covers the second photo, and by extension the third. I asked if it covers the first on 30 June in response to Files for discussion/2018 March 17 and what became User talk:Jeff G./Archives/2018/July, but I have not received a reply in the intervening two months. I concur with Stefan2 that the first now "needs to be deleted per WP:F5."  — Jeff G. ツ 01:31, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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 * Comment: Just going to add that if the oldest version is not covered by the OTRS ticket like the others, it can't be accepted as non-free content anyway per WP:NFCC and should be deleted per WP:F7. Although the end result would be the same, F5 deletions imply that the only problem with the file was WP:NFCC, and files deleted per F5 are sometiimes restored if a non-free use for the orphan is found later on. F7, on the other hand, tends to indicate a more serious problem than just being orphaned and thus seem to be very rarely restored after the fact. Regardless, the two versions which have been verified under OTRS probably should be moved to Commons as soon as this FFD and the local file deleted per WP:F8, unless there's a real need for Keep local to be used here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:13, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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 * Support 's idea. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:09, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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File:Ana&
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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. <b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b> xplicit 06:06, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Ana&#39;s Cross.jpg">File:Ana& ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Gilderien ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Challenging the Keep local. It was originally added citing that this image has no educational value, but I believe it actually does; it depicts a monument in a national park. It's also worth noting the Commons version of this file is being used on another wiki, so obviously it has some cross-wiki value. There doesn't seem to be any compelling reason to keep this copy overlapping the Commons file. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 04:16, 25 August 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Keep - I have always been a proponent of giving uploaders wide latitude when it comes to requesting that files be kept local. Not doing so may make them unlikely to upload further in the future. There are many reasons to make such a request (e.g. keeping it under the local rules as opposed to the arcane common ones). — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 02:40, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete This image was a user page photo for Gilderien that is unlikely to have encyclopedic use. He is obviously welcome to upload (within reason) images for his user page.  If they are in use, they are retained and if they are not in use, we don't need to keep them.  This shouldn't be controversial.  It never should have been uploaded to Commons to begin with because it's a userpage photo with no general encyclopedic use.  If it's not going to be used here, it should be deleted both here and at Commons. --B (talk) 11:29, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: c:COM:INUSE does seem to allow photos for userpages to be upoladed and kept as long as they are in use. So, deleting it from Commons might not be as clear cut as deleting the local version of it here may be. Regarding the local version, WP:MTC used to have a section titled "What not to transfer" which stated the following:"Some users request that their work remain on Wikipedia, and does not move to Commons. Don't fight them over it; with tens of thousands of files to transfer, it's not worth it. There is no commonly used template to indicate a desire to keep one's files off Commons, however many users who wish to keep their work off Commons use custom templates or the keeplocal or Do not move to Commons templates, neither of which are designed for that purpose. The esoteric file template can be used for files of no interest outside Wikipedia, for instance self-portraits uploaded purely for use on a Wikipedia userpage." but that seems to have been removed here as part of a major revising of the MTC page in November 2016. Whether that was the result of talk page consensus or just a bold edit, it does seem that the project was once a little more tolerant of "keep local" requests perhaps for the reasons given by above. Even so, it would be helpful if the uploader can clarify the particular reason(s) why they want a local copy of this to be kept. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:22, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Policy is unclear on what to do in cases like this.
 * WP:F8 says that files like this can't be speedily deleted under criterion F8. However, no one is proposing speedy deletion of this file, so the CSD policy doesn't apply.
 * The general WP:DP doesn't specifically address files like this, but indicates that any file may be deleted at FFD provided that there is a consensus to delete it.
 * The WP:OWN policy tells that no one owns a page on Wikipedia, i.e. the uploader alone can't decide that the file can't be deleted. The section on user pages indicates that a user doesn't own his own user page, but then indicates that the user has a lot of power over his user page, indicating some kind of partial ownership. The file's only use is on Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area/Adopters, where users are presented in a way somewhat similar to user pages.
 * WP:NOTHOST indicates that we don't host stuff for the sole purpose of hosting them. The section indicates that unused files are to be deleted, but isn't clear on what to do if hosting a file is unnecessary because the file also is on Commons.
 * Someone mentioned that the file is in use on a different project. From what I can see, the file is only used on testwiki:Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host breakroom. I'm guessing that this is a test page where someone imported a Wikipedia page for the purpose of testing something and that any other random image could achieve the same testing purpose, so the file's use on that page doesn't really indicate any cross-wiki value. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:12, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

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 * Delete: Shadows the identical file on Commons that is within Commons c:COM:SCOPE. Should be deleted to reduce maintenance burden. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:54, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Many files that are kept locally "shadow [an] identical file on Commons that is within Commons c:COM:SCOPE." It is unlikely that maintenance will ever be necessary. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 19:27, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

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File:Sun &
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The result of the discussion was: relisted on. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:20, 30 September 2018 (UTC)


 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Sun &#38; Moon, Pauline Smith, 2013.jpg">File:Sun & ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])
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File:Map of the METTIS transport network, the public transportation in Metz, France.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Map of the METTIS transport network, the public transportation in Metz, France.jpg">File:Map of the METTIS transport network, the public transportation in Metz, France.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Bava Alcide57 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned. No source given for the blank satellite photo, so we don't know whether it is a PD (US government) photo or from something copyrighted (Google, etc) B (talk) 12:37, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 06:40, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
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File:Frankie Valli - Lady Put the Light Out (audio sample).ogg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Frankie Valli - Lady Put the Light Out (audio sample).ogg">File:Frankie Valli - Lady Put the Light Out (audio sample).ogg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Mozart834428196 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Audio sample from a song with no significant sourced commentary. Fails WP:NFCC. Whpq (talk) 13:01, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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File:1964 tracksuits.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * File:1964 tracksuits.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Mozart834428196 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Image used to illustrate track suits. It's claimed use is to illustrate the history by there is no sourced commentary about the image. Fails WP:NFCC. Whpq (talk) 13:03, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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File:Refugee-rights rally outside Bank of Queensland.JPG
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:03, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Refugee-rights rally outside Bank of Queensland.JPG">File:Refugee-rights rally outside Bank of Queensland.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Whywhywhy ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Uploaded by a long-vanished user. There is NOT an affirmative statement of authorship here, but WhyWhyWhy also uploaded File:Urban mounted police on horseback (rear view).JPG, which was taken with the same camera 30 minutes earlier and in which he does make a statement "I created it and choose these rights". Based on that, I think we can accept this image as created by WhyWhyWhy. B (talk) 13:23, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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File:Psilocybe graveolens.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: relisted on. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:23, 26 September 2018 (UTC)


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File:JohnBull.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn per User:Whpq's good work --B (talk) 19:11, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * File:JohnBull.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by MXocrossIIB ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

No real source - just an uncyclopedia upload. The source site has no claim of authorship and people there just upload whatever they want - they are not as concerned with copyright as we are. B (talk) 15:04, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * It appears to be derived from a World War I recruoiting poster which dates to 1914. I've not been able to find any more information about the poster. -- Whpq (talk) 16:58, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I've dug up some more information. The poster is actually from 1915.  Australian War Memorial and Toronto Public Library identify the poster as being public domain.  Is cropping out the head and feathering the bottom sufficient to create a copyright on the derived image? -- Whpq (talk) 17:13, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * No, I think that the crop is not a creative act and this is public domain. Good work!  I see File:John Bull - World War I recruiting poster.jpeg is actually already on Commons and I have added a higher resolution version from . --B (talk) 19:11, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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File:ChySkillz - 1993 - Slam.jpeg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * File:ChySkillz - 1993 - Slam.jpeg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Felix Montana ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Claimed as work, but appears to be a screen capture from a third party work. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:09, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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File:COA darbhanga.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * File:COA darbhanga.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Abhiran ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Assuming this is own work given the self tag, but the uploader appears to be blocked. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:11, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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File:Variable resistance exercising device.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:05, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Variable resistance exercising device.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Hroth69 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This is claimed as self, but it closely resembles a patent diagram. Perhaps the uploader can clarify if it's their own invention patent they are uploading? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:07, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Mixed case law on whether parents are subject to copyright protection. Copyright on the content of patents and in the context of patent prosecution. --B (talk) 10:13, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - On further review, this image is from US patent #4,256,302 with a priority date of March 10, 1976. No copyright notice was included and so it is public domain regardless of the legal status of patent drawings (which are probably not protected anyway). --B (talk) 11:57, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * File:Lions in the Desert.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by NE Ent ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Superseded by larger File:Lions in the Desert by Henry Ossawa Tanner - Renwick Gallery - DSC08398.JPG (different format, so doesn't qualify for anything speedy) B (talk) 23:51, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom NE Ent 00:40, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, redundant to JPG file. Salavat (talk) 06:43, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  07:05, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * File:NabilAyers.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Music fam ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Per WP:OTRSN, the email received was not sufficient to confirm permission of this image. B (talk) 23:54, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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